• Lester_Peterson [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Including planning, design, and construction, the typical nuclear plant takes 11 years to build, even capacity weighted that's significantly slower than any other renewable power source but Hydro.

    That's also with Nuclear being the most expensive renewable.

    • StewartCopelandsDad [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      from what I remember from undergrad Energy Policy, the problem with nuclear is scale. Because they take decades to turn a profit and require enormous amounts of capital, they're unappealing to energy companies. Cost of capital overpowers everything else. Pretty much the only organizations capable of doing that are governments. But nuclear takes multiple election cycles to build, longer to pay off, and also has really bad PR. So governments are not champing at the bit to start new programs. In fact they seem to be extending the lifetime of the old, shitty plants originally scheduled to be decommissioned, and when they actually do build new plants it's more of the old designs.

      If you actually have a reactor program it's great. If you've already spent the huge sum to get one RBMK designed/built/operationally tested you can crank out twenty more. But nobody's been starting programs like that in decades so it's probably too late. e: actually I can't support this and don't have more time to research. talking out of my ass. not sure how meaningful existing programs are

    • kristina [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      11 years is getting to be incorrect. Chinese AI assisted cement pouring vehicles are reducing the time to build megaprojects such as dams down from 12 years to 2 years and at higher quality. Ive read papers from China on using the same tech for nuclear concrete pouring.

      Its probably more important for China, India, and Africa to do this than anyone else, but of course, the westerner is always concerned about themselves :lenin-sure:

      • ZoomeristLeninist [they/them, she/her]M
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        2 years ago

        yeah, with how much the technology has advanced its a crime that there arent solar panels on every rooftop. if were gonna insist on having 4x the parking space compared to commercial space, we could at least put up a roof of solar panels, it even has the added advantage of protecting cars from the elements

      • keepcarrot [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        Yeah, the correct choice was building nuclear 40 years ago, but here we are still watching countries decide between nuclear and coal

      • Gosplan14_the_Third [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Yeah it's technoutopianism but by leftists.

        I still think it was a mistake (or rather, an intentional plot by the CDU to not eat shit in 2011 state elections and corruption in favor of RWE), closing down nuclear power plants ahead of other fossil fuel ones.

        But instead of going "clean and almost unlimited energy, we should build 100 nuclear power plants in every country before switching to fusion", going 100% renewable should be the goal of every leftist development plan.