Why hasn't China cut ties with the US or Japan, why did China build diplomatic relations with them in the first place back in 1972? Why does China not have diplomatic relations with countries that "recognize" Taiwan province as an "independent country", but still maintain ties with a genocidal Israel? Why hasn't Russia cut ties with the US?
What does it mean to cut ties, for all official communication between two governments to stop? For all trade between two countries to stop? Cutting ties will not stop Israel from continuing its war crimes. I think China wants to be more of a mediator between Israel and Palestine as it supports a two-state solution, so cutting ties with any side will work against that.
According to this Wikipedia page:
As of 28 May 2024, 145 of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states officially recognize the State of Palestine (Israel is recognized by 165).
Because it's a realistic solution a country can be in favour of. It doesn't matter how much we'd love for the Zionist entity to stop existing, we must not commit ultra-leftism mistakes and expect that a country tries to accomplish an objective that cannot be met.
The Zionist entity cannot continue to exist if Palestine is to prosper or even survive, the two-state solution is untenable at this point to many marxist Palestinians and marks an error in China's stated foreign policy in so far in that it allows the settler colonial state to continue existing. Legit the population needs a military defeat and reeducation, a two state solution would only continue the oppression unless it also took the form of a massive reducation campaign of "israelis" but even then you have an apartheid ethnostate that would require such major reconstruction I don't see any good reason to not expect the just and true end of this conflict as a liberated palestine and the fascist force of zionism defeated.
Just want to make sure we aren't considering Rashida Tlaib ultra-left for recognizing as many Palestinians do the two state solution as a normalization tactic and not a material end of the conflict in anyway.
The Zionist entity cannot exist alongside a Palestinian state. If a "two-state solution" with a sovereign Palestine actually gets implemented the Zionist entity will collapse. The Zionist project is predicated on continual territorial and settlement expansion. Once this becomes impossible and settlements on the territory of the Palestinian state even have to be dismantled there will be a mass exodus of settlers back to Europe/the US and the Zionist settler-colonial project will implode, as they will have failed to secure the Lebensraum that this fascist project requires.
The leaders of the entity know this and now they openly state that even just failing to pacify Gaza would spell the end of their state. This has an element of hyperbolic fearmongering but it is not far from the truth. A defeat in a major conflict that threatens to permanently render the territory of the entity itself unsafe for settlers, as well as a failure to re-establish deterrence through military dominance over its neighbors is the beginning of the end for them. If you have been paying attention you will have noticed that this is exactly the long term strategy of suffocation/attrition/death-by-a-thousand-cuts that the axis of resistance has been implementing.
China adopting a serious "two-state" policy (and actually meaning it, not just stringing the Palestinians along like the collective West does) is equivalent to them pushing for the collapse of the Zionist entity, but it also allows them to maintain an appearance in international diplomacy as a reasonable and unbiased party, which is essential to their central role as the engine for the rise of the global south and the emergence of a "multipolar world" (and that phrase itself is a euphemism that just means demise of western global hegemony).
This does not mean that we as revolutionaries should also adopt such a position, on the contrary. We are not bound by the same diplomatic constraints and strategic considerations that a state power like China is, and moreover we have a different function to fulfill. We should continue to loudly advocate for the complete liberation and decolonization of Palestine from the river to the sea, and more importantly the divestment and cessation of support to the Zionist entity by our own states. Not just because that is morally right but because that is also the strategically correct approach, as this additional pressure works in tandem with the axis of resistance as well as with China's diplomacy.
I recommend also reading what these two comrades have written:
https://hexbear.net/comment/4969553 https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/4369459
They did a very good job of saying more or less what i was trying to express, except perhaps a bit more elegantly and succinctly.
Literally Hamas itself supports (as its professed position) a two state solution
And the PFLP promotes a one-state solution? I'm arguing against ideologically supporting a two state solution, even if the professed position of Hamas may have a strategical purpose. There's no material basis for assuming any agreement between the two would lead to the fascist settler colonial state to not be, well, what it is and has always been. The struggle will continue until from the river to the sea Palestine is free.
I think the main idea is that the colonial state is going to wither away on its own because zionists are already leaving due to how unsafe it is for them to be there, and by the time a two state solution would be implemented, this will have already reached a point where those people will not return and anyone like them who remains will want to leave even more because they have had their colonial project taken away. This will lead to an inevitable one state for Palestine because all the euros will flee and Palestine will have a majority and keep gaining power in the area, while the colony is fully weakened, loses a lot of population, and by then maybe even a lot of external funding.
China having this position makes sense because they are trying to be taken seriously as a mediator and the two state solution is the closest thing to a good deal for Palestinians that is actually being considered at the moment, but the average communist position should absolutely be an end to the zionist state entirely. If China adopted a one state policy in favor of Palestine, they wouldn't be included in any serious negotiating because that is obviously not something one of the parties in the negotiation wants to accept at the moment.
Here's an example: https://apnews.com/article/hamas-khalil-alhayya-qatar-ceasefire-1967-borders-4912532b11a9cec29464eab234045438
I emphasize professed because, and I think HBs forget this sometimes, that there are situations where it makes sense to ask for less than what you ultimately want, and presumably Hamas sees a two-state solution as an avenue to ultimately reach a one-state solution. That would also be very much the type of thinking China is inclined towards, along with it being diplomatically a little absurd to take a position significantly more extreme than the dominant faction you are supporting (e.g. calling for the complete dissolution of Israel when Hamas, though it would like that, is not insisting on it in any immediate context).
This is a little bit like how China wants to maintain the status quo with Taiwan because it views the status quo, with its own ascendant power and the decline of US influence, as ending in a unified China.
If you want epic based takes, go to the DPRK press releases. They can afford to say anything they want about countries outside of East Asia because -- and they are as aware of this as anyone -- what they say on questions like Israel/Palestine matters about as much as what a bunch of dweebs on the internet say, since they are successfully forbade from having normal diplomatic relations with basically any country other than China and Russia.
Realistic solution?
Oh yeah, I guess you're right. I remember when we had a two state solution with the Confederacy and Union states, that was the most realistic solution to slavery. One group is free and the other left in a perpetual state of "realism"
Decolonization is possible
It's not quite a two state solution, but the revised Hamas charter clearly states that the current goal is to return to the 1967 borders:
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The final goal is from the river to the sea, but at the present, this is Hamas's view.
I think the real reason is because Palestine is too far away from China, unlike Korea, Vietnam and
CambodiaMyanmar who are neighbours. But then again, China still has diplomatic relations with both North and South Korea, and couldn't do much about their separated status even after helping Korea during the Korean War in the 1950s.I feel like this speaks to China's policy of complicity with the capitalist system in ways that allows China to thrive and eventually lead the world into communism - if they just sent the people's liberation army to help out Hamas the west would probably start WW3 right then and there. That said, it can be genuinely disturbing and worthy of criticism when we say the ends justify the means in any case, especially when we have inspiring quotes from Mao like this:
"The People's Liberation Army is always a fighting force. Even after countrywide victory, our army will remain a fighting force during the historical period in which classes have not been abolished in our country and the imperialist system still exists in the world. On this point, there should be no misunderstanding or wavering. "
Can you please elaborate a bit more on this? I am confused on how its distance from China affect this decision. Do you mean that if Palestine was closer to China, China would help them militarily to achieve the 1 state?
China sent troops to help North Korea during the Korean War, and sent military aid to North Vietnam during the Vietnam war. It also helped mediate a ceasefire between various forces in Myanmar just this January.
So yes, if Palestine was at China's borders, things would be much different, but in that situation there would probably be another "Palestine" under imperialist-zionist invasion that is out of China's reach.
Do you think that China would still send troops today with their policy of non-interference?
China didn't send troops to Myanmar, so the only place it would send troops to is Taiwan province in the case of forceful reunification.
So if they would push for 1 state solution in the case of Palestine due to proximity because they would be able to do more, in which sense would they help achieve the abolishment of Israel if they wouldn’t deploy its troops against the Zionist apartheid state?
I'm only talking about a hypothetical situation based on my own opinion, there is no point discussing it any further. Just look at Korea, China maintains relations with both North and South even though both sides want to reunify with the other side.
breaking relations was only done by colombia?
they aren't pursuing any kind of principled foreign policy over "internal affairs", more explicitly they actively don't look into it.
Recently cut relations:
- Belize
- Chile
- Colombia
- Honduras
- Bolivia
- South Africa
- Chad
Countries that do not have diplomatic ties with Israel include:
- 15 members of the Arab League: Algeria, Comoros, Djibouti, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Syria, Tunisia, and Yemen [1].
- Ten non-Arab members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation: Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brunei, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Mali, Niger, Pakistan, and Sudan [1].
- Cuba and Venezuela in Latin America [2].
- Mauritania in the Arab League [2].
- The Maldives in South Asia [2].
- Iran until the Islamic revolution [2].
- Morocco, Oman, Qatar, and Tunisia had severed ties with Israel, but Morocco renewed ties and established diplomatic relations in 2020 [2].
- Libya, although there was an unofficial encounter between the foreign ministers of Libya and Israel recently [3].
- International recognition of Israel - Wikipedia
- Foreign relations of Israel - Wikipedia
- Chart: The Countries With No Diplomatic Ties to Israel | Statista
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The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not "internal affairs", these are recent remarks made:
Keynote Speech by Xi Jinping at Opening Ceremony of the 10th Ministerial Conference Of the China-Arab States Cooperation Forum, May 30, 2024 https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/zxxx_662805/202405/t20240530_11314383.html
Since last October, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict has escalated drastically, throwing the people into tremendous sufferings. War should not continue indefinitely. Justice should not be absent forever. Commitment to the two-State solution should not be wavered at will. China firmly supports the establishment of an independent State of Palestine that enjoys full sovereignty based on the 1967 borders and with East Jerusalem as its capital. It supports Palestine’s full membership in the U.N., and supports a more broad-based, authoritative and effective international peace conference.
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin’s Regular Press Conference on May 22, 2024 https://www.mfa.gov.cn/eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/2511_665403/202405/t20240522_11309866.html
China always firmly supports the just cause of the Palestinian people in restoring their legitimate national rights, supports the two-State solution and is one of the first countries to recognize the State of Palestine. China’s stance on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is consistent. We believe the immediate priority is to implement UNSC Resolution 2728, realize ceasefire at once, end the unprecedented humanitarian crisis in Gaza and return to the right track of seeking a political settlement of the Palestinian question on the basis of the two-State solution as soon as possible. China will continue to work with the international community to play a constructive role for ending the Palestinian-Israeli conflict as early as possible and promoting a comprehensive, just and lasting settlement of the Palestinian question.
(No English version yet) China-Arab states joint statement on the Palestinian issue https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/wjbzhd/202405/t20240531_11366712.shtml
pretty sure they can buy US weapons and tech through Israel that would otherwise be prohibited from getting. I also think that the whole support for a 2 state solution thing was an artifact of the six day war and a consensus of the UN mediated peace process that has been nearly every UN members "official" line (except for maybe Israel, Iran and a few others) since then, and is also the position held by Hamas
it is known, the second hamas charter accepts the 1967 borders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter
