I guess I’ll consume the state mandated amount of treats and feel bad about it in a manner I’m prescribed to feel guilty about. That’s makes me a morally good person. I consume the right amount which is too much but I flagellate myself which its okay.

  • ironicindoctrination [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    Even the most minute treat production is bad because we as a species still struggle with providing the essentials of life to everyone, which makes the production of luxuries bad.

    Asceticism is bad because it’s a strictly anti-materialist philosophy that has its roots in theology, as communists we want everyone to have the same amount of things, and that would require everyone participating in leisure which an ascetic would find materialistic. Truth is we need some sort of opiate for the masses, everyone needs to consume the media if it’s under leftist control.

    And for finding a middle ground, while there’s recognition that leisure is a human need, and that some people need more treats than others. Overall there’s a certain amount of consumption that is expected of humans and it is all bad but we must work to accommodate it and eventually bring it down to nothing.

    In utopia there would be no treats, everyone would essentially be the borg from star trek. That doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be excess however.

    • booty [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Even the most minute treat production is bad because we as a species still struggle with providing the essentials of life to everyone, which makes the production of luxuries bad.

      I agree with the premise, but I don't think it applies here. We don't actually struggle with providing the essentials of life to everyone, we simply aren't trying to. There are more empty houses than homeless people, enough food to feed everyone on Earth no problem. But the houses lay empty and the food goes in the trash. Cutting treat production will not solve the problems mentioned because the problem is not that there are too many treats and not enough essentials.

      Asceticism is bad because it’s a strictly anti-materialist philosophy that has its roots in theology

      The core of asceticism is "you don't need stuff to be content" which is backed up by my own experiences in the real material world. I don't really care what it has its "roots" in.

      as communists we want everyone to have the same amount of things

      🙄

      and that would require everyone participating in leisure which an ascetic would find materialistic.

      You're going to go to the ascetic's house and force him to play mario kart at gunpoint?

        • booty [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          yeah I agree, but I was already deep into my reply. damn sunk cost fallacy

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      In utopia there would be no treats, everyone would essentially be the borg from star trek.

      :what-the-hell: Did you get lost on the way to /r/JordanPeterson or something?