USSR was technophilic and invented space travel.

DPRK is technophilic.

PRC is technophilic and is the world leader in many advanced technologies.

Marx analyses technological progress deeply. The increase in productive power that results from the creation and rollout of new technologies (including AI) is what raises material standards of living.

  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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    1 year ago

    new technologies (including AI) is what raises material standards of living.

    Lol no it's not. What did the cotton gin do for the standards of living of enslaved people? Nothing, it just made slavery more economically advantageous. All the profits from increased efficiency went straight into the pockets of the slavers.

    There's a famous graph showing productivity compared to real wages over time and how they decoupled in the 80's with productivity still rising and wages stagnating.

    The average worker today is vastly more productive compared to a primitive hunter-gatherer, so why can't you maintain a hunter-gatherer standard of living off, say 1 hour per week?

    Increases in productivity only matter if the rich aren't able to squeeze you for every penny you make, which they can as long as they control the means of production.

    • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      new technologies raise standards of living but ownership of those technologies allowing for the exploitation of others prohibiting a raise in standards of living is also true

      both can be a thing

      like a replicator would vastly improve a person's standard of living, but not so much if the cost of using it is spending a life time in the slavery mines because it's owned by Felon Dusk. Capitalism dictating that state of affairs doesn't mean the replicator wouldn't raise standards of living if not restrained

      • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        a replicator would destroy the standard of living for people who were put out of work by the replicator, because now they can't make rent

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            • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              yea but wouldn't the capacity for technological progress to improve standards of living be a property inherent to it and something which is restrained by capitalism, an outside force

              • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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                1 year ago

                yes, but as i said, we live under capitalism
                advances in automation under capitalism can occasionally increase the standard of living for some, at the cost of completely fucking the standard of living for the people who no longer have a job because of it

                  • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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                    1 year ago

                    yes, but this post is a response to the "ai" bad discourse in another thread, which is not a theoretical discussion about the future, but the effects of technological advances in the here and now

      • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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        1 year ago

        Capitalism dictating that state of affairs doesn’t mean the replicator wouldn’t raise standards of living if not restrained

        Uh... Duh? Is anyone disputing that?

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