I lose my cool when people say the same old lib talking points about how awful mass shootings are and how we need "common sense" gun control. It's the combination of smarmy :maybe-later-honey: :maybe-later-kiddo: attitude and unwillingness to consider the implications of policy, or the history of similar disarming of leftists and vulnerable groups. So I get a little hot and I bully them. Then, they play the "actually I'm [member of vulnerable group] " or "my sibling died to gun violence" card. Great so now I'm an asshole.

Am I wrong to bully people for shallow thinking and smug attitudes. Do I stoop to their style of rhetoric playing up atrocities like the Shanghai Massacre of disarmed leftists by the KMT or how cops kill and abuse black people with impunity after disarming the Black Panthers with the Mulford Act? These fools think these cops will protect us? It's so frustrating.

idk maybe they're just radlibs in leftist spaces

  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    I think the idea is that legal gun ownership in America might make you feel safer, but realistically if you pose a threat to the state, you are doomed with or without a weapon. The recent murder of Manuel “Tortuguita” Terán comes to mind.

    Yes, that's why this isn't about guns in the context of revolution. It's about self defense.

    I know Handguns are like 60% of murders and like all of gun related suicides. I don’t think there are statistics about handguns properly defending someone from getting shot at. So it’s debatable if they are really good at protection at all.

    Seriously? Handguns are used in self defense, effectively, all the damn time in the US. There's zero doubt that a handgun can protect you from an aggressor with a gun.

    Also cops utilize the fear of anyone concealing a handgun as their right to shoot anyone, so many instances of state violence utilize gun ownership as their defense for the reason of doing so.

    No doubt about that, and leftists can't do anything to change it. This isn't a discussion about how to arrange a proper society, it's about the actual, on the ground material reality that people in America exist in. The state will justify violence no matter what.

    • Dr_Gabriel_Aby [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      Again, I can’t find any statistics on successfully prevented shootings by another person having a concealed handgun. There is no “Mexican Standoff” statistics. I can find statistics on concealed handguns being the murder weapon in over 60% of murders. So your feeling that it can protect you is all it is. At current moment, there is more evidence that concealed handguns do more harm than good in my eyes.

      • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        There's entire subreddits dedicated to surveillance videos of people defending themselves with handguns