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The whitewashing discourse is gonna be good, but I'm mostly wondering how they're gonna fit Sophon in so early.

I'ma still watch this garbage.

  • communistapologist [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    I’ve read the first book and I didn’t like it, while it did have some interesting scifi concepts mushed together I didn’t like how critical it was of China. Like a super advanced cultural revolution is a nice concept but it wasn’t portrayed as 100% good and that’s why I’m not going to read the rest of the series.

    • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Don't understand this at all. Liu Cixin is not a dissident in the slightest; he's beloved in China and obviously supports the Party. The actual Cultural Revolution was not 100% good; why would any future super advanced one be 100% good either? The CPC itself admits much of the Cultural Revolution was disastrous. China is not a perfect place; to not critique aspects of the country would be irresponsible. You can be critical without being disparaging. Liu wants China to be better, that's why he's even mildly critical. He's not some brainwashed Chinese-hating race traitor or something. Look at this interview excerpt he did with the New Yorker (read it here: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/06/24/liu-cixins-war-of-the-worlds)

      When I brought up the mass internment of Muslim Uighurs—around a million are now in reëducation camps in the northwestern province of Xinjiang—he trotted out the familiar arguments of government-controlled media: “Would you rather that they be hacking away at bodies at train stations and schools in terrorist attacks? If anything, the government is helping their economy and trying to lift them out of poverty.” The answer duplicated government propaganda so exactly that I couldn’t help asking Liu if he ever thought he might have been brainwashed. “I know what you are thinking,” he told me with weary clarity. “What about individual liberty and freedom of governance?” He sighed, as if exhausted by a debate going on in his head. “But that’s not what Chinese people care about. For ordinary folks, it’s the cost of health care, real-estate prices, their children’s education. Not democracy.” Liu closed his eyes for a long moment and then said quietly, “This is why I don’t like to talk about subjects like this. The truth is you don’t really—I mean, can’t truly—understand.” He gestured around him. “You’ve lived here, in the U.S., for, what, going on three decades?” The implication was clear: years in the West had brainwashed me. In that moment, in Liu’s mind, I, with my inflexible sense of morality, was the alien.

      • Fishroot [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Liu Cixin's being a dissident is basically westerners not understand the perception of Historical event in China and make it as if the Party doesn't allow criticism of the CR. obviously there are Chinese grifters in the west that signal boost westerner's ignorance because that is where the money is.

        If Liu Cixin is really a dissident then every directors, writers, professors, economists, normal people with opinion post 80s are all dissidents.

      • yastreb
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        1 year ago

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        • Fishroot [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          That Novella fucking rocks.

          The foreword of the story shows the opinion of the Chinese towards Russia (especially the USSR era which is even more prominent in the middle of the story)

    • Fishroot [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      unless you live in the countryside or got sent there like my mother's side did (or how the societal changes described by Mobo Gao or Wen tieJun). The cultural Revolution is considered a disaster that even the Party wants to distance itself from.

      It is not a coincidence that the cultural revolution outweighs the societal impact compares to the Great Leap Forward that caused more casualties and we still talk about the legacy of it until now

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      1 year ago

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    • space_comrade [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I didn't read it because I don't like grimdark Sci-Fi.

      "Everything is terrible and shit and out to eat you all of the time and life itself is a constant pointless and shitty struggle" is a tired overused trope in both the Sci-Fi and Fantasy genre.

      I want more shit like The Culture series.

      • rubpoll [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        You might love the Broken Earth trilogy by NK Jemisin. It's about a world where "Everything is terrible and shit and out to eat you all of the time", for reasons that seem natural, until we meet characters who recognize that it's not, or doesn't have to be. It's about major attempts to fix a broken world. It's also about motherhood. And earthbending. Even the trope of genetically inhereted superpowers gets flipped on its head. It's very good.

        Edit: it's also very sexy at times. And there's at least two trans characters, one of whom plays a pretty major role in the story.

    • neroiscariot [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Honest question: where did you get that in the first book? I might be forgetting something, but the series is very pro china. As for your feelings about the first book, I think those are valid. I tell people that the first book really is just a tiny prologue to the second one (The Dark Forest), which is some of the coolest sci fi I have ever read. Most put at the best in the trilogy for good reason, and it is nothing like the first. It also shows a flailing United States trying to reign in other countries for control, and losing...

      Obviously, if it is not your jam, I would say do not read it. However, check out a plot synopsis...it's pretty awesome.