Hi Chapos,

We need to talk about science: how it’s made, who it’s made by, who it’s made for, and why capitalism sucks for science. Mods, please pin.

I’d like to start a semi-regular discussion thread about what science is, the institutions in which it takes place, the role of regulatory forces (and lack thereof), and in general the problems capitalism has created for science. I’m doing this to follow up on a few discussion threads from the early days of chapo, which I think are worth continuing, specifically this, this and this recent thread from yesterday.

First some definitions of terms:

Researchers, please note, that for the purposes of communication and to help folks from outside the lab and ivory tower join the conversation, when I say “science”, I mean all forms of professional-level, formal, systematically organized research, meaning I’m including non-scientific research here as well. I’m not making a distinction here, because in my experience, it doesn’t matter what field your is or how “scientific” your research methods may or may not be compared to other fields. There are problems in research which affect us all, it’s often just a matter of degree within field, lab, and our own individual abilities to cope with/avoid certain issues.

Science is an ideal, which we strive for in practice; it shapes our methods, logic, and conclusions. Academia is the deeply corrupt, capitalist institution in which much of science takes place; it shapes our labor and the science we produce. This means, it doesn’t matter what field you’re in - most of these issues are likely apparent in your field, to some degree. That said, some issues will certainly be more apparent than others in different fields in different labs and in different countries.

For those outside research reading along, please note that this means the word “science” is not synonymous with “technology”. For example in this thread the top comment is a debate about nuclear technology. There is a lot more going on in science than nuclear and climate change (and I’m saying that as a scientist who studies the psychology of the energy transition! I know better than most about subjective perceptions of nuclear energy and I'm sorry to say it’s not something you can easily change with posting). If you want to struggle-sesh about a specific technology or solution to a specific problem like climate change, please start a new post and keep your debate contained there.

My goal is to post these semi-regularly in hopes of starting a conversation which often takes place within science on a platform outside our offices and classrooms. Here are some of the topics I thought of, and this list is by no means in complete, so please offer suggestions for more:

  • The publication process, peer review, and authorship
  • The tenure pipeline: exploitation of grad students, postdocs, and adjunct professors
  • How publish or perish hinders scientific progress (e.g., by promoting fragmentation and unreliable findings)
  • The reproducibility crisis (started in my own field but now is seen as a problem for all of science)
  • Science communication/”public outreach”/”valorization”
  • The PhD mental health crisis, low graduation (high drop-out) rates, and burn-out more generally
  • Transdisciplinary research (aka research that goes beyond formal disciplines to include practitioners and the public) & citizen science
  • Open science: what is it, what’s it trying to do, and how it’s received
  • Why some prominent “senior” scientists see Open Science as a conspiracy
  • Sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, etc in science

I'd also be happy to discuss things like university tuition rates, exploitation of student athletes, but for now, these things seem more to me like symptoms of the larger cause I'd like to discuss.

So chapos, what do you think? Any interest in on-going BTS science conversations? What do you want to talk about in these threads? What do you think you'd get out of them personally? Which topic would you like to talk about first?

  • mine [she/her,comrade/them]
    hexagon
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    4 years ago

    Excellent ideas. The "lone genius" model of science is called the "albert einstein fallacy" in psychology - I'll see if i can dig up some easy to read sources on that one for a future post. I think a lot of what you're talking about is linked to it in a way. It's a very romantic idea people have of science as a core defining principle of an isolated individual's life, and I agree - not only does it make science that is less useful/fragmented, it also makes a sometimes cutthroat, hyper-competitive work culture and a self-fulfilling prophecy for how scientists themselves think they're supposed to fit into the larger picture. In addition to elon, also feeds the problem of scientist celebrities who make lots of money off selling (sometimes later debunked) research to industry.

    Also adding to my notes to definitely do a post for solutions centered around organizing and collective bargaining.

    Congrats on your postdoc! I wish you luck... I took the opposite direction: dropped out of a prestigious phd program in the US bc of the absolutely unbearable working conditions and jumped to a program in the EU, where I work many fewer hours. there is no question the quality of my work has gone up (even if overall I publish fewer papers I otherwise would have if I'd stayed in the US).

    • unclellama [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      thanks! I expect moving to the US will help mold my politics and values, if nothing else. Life under capitalism in Denmark is 'ok-ish' if you ignore 1) the othering of immigrants and 2) the exploitation outside our borders. in Arizona i hope my lazy ass will be more motivated to get involved in grassroots stuff.

      from what I've heard of phd life in the US, moving to the EU sounds like the correct move, heard so many stories about 'I work 80 hour weeks' macho posturing. No idea whether that is also expected for a postdoc, but in that case they can always just fire me again haha. Even pretending to work those kinds of hours seems really bad for everyone's mental health.

      Also, I fucking love criticism / dunks of scientist celebrities, would read those with glee :) There are some very funny Trashfuture podcast episodes along those lines.

      • mine [she/her,comrade/them]
        hexagon
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        4 years ago

        Haha at least at the postdoc level there are a lot fewer of you, so it's easier to lie low and come and go as you please. If you don't like it, you can always just quit like I did!

        I'm so behind on Trashfuture, but my SO listens regularly so I'll have to ask for the right eps.

        There are two critiques that come to mind really quickly, but the celebrities are in psychology so not sure if that holds your interest: Citations Needed did a great take-down of one of the biggest names in positive psychology (happiness and wellness research) recently. It was a looooong time coming. Nature had a pretty decent critique of celebrity psychologists not declaring what they get paid to give talks in industry (because lol we don't do that) and how their research has serious conflicts of interest as a result (and shockingly, often doesn't replicate).