https://libreddit.kavin.rocks/r/TheDeprogram/comments/11s7x4u/badempanada_uyhgers_video/
Found in the Deprogram sub's discussion ofnit which is quite good. Radio War Nerd also does this beating around the bush with Zenz's beliefs. To say nothing of Deprogram & RWN Russia takes,
I don't believe that's the intention in any way nor that sterilization is that prevalent.
But I thought both the declining birth rate and the presence of sterilization were both acknowledged by the government at some point no? Back in 2019 before everybody started screaming genocide the government was a lot more open about this program. Goes to show how damaging the genocide narrative is.
I would honestly appreciate an answer and I don't mind if you just say you're not sure, that's at least more honest in my case
Sure but i'm lazy so i'm gonna walk home to paste a response from my laptop
Actually found gzd/sino links that pretty much cover everything https://r.nf/r/Sino/comments/kyccz3/uyghur_sterilization_allegation_debunked/ huge post
https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/lsaji0/masterpost_of_sources_for_debunking_xinjiang/
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1193454.shtml GT investigation busts contraception lies in Xinjiang
The Global Times read the yearbooks of hygiene statistics, and found that the data on the removal of IUDs was not released every year, which raises the question as to how Zenz acquired the estimated number when no data was in his claimed source.
"Here's just one major piece of evidence, refuting the widely spread 'forced sterilization' claims that serve as the bedrock of the cultural genocide argument. In his report, Zenz states that 80% of IUD's in China were done in Xinjiang, writing: “In 2018, 80 percent of all new IUD placements in China were performed in Xinjiang, despite the fact that the region only makes up 1.8 percent of the nation’s population. In 2014, 2.5 percent of newly placed IUDs in China were fitted in Xinjiang. [38] In 2018, that share rose to 80 percent, far above Xinjiang’s 1.8 percent share of China’s population. [39]” Zenz gives the following Chinese primary source: “[38] Source: 2015 and 2019 Health and Hygiene Statistical Yearbooks, table 8-8-2.” But what does the yearbook actually say? Here's the actual 2019 Chinese Health and Hygiene Statistical Yearbook. It's quite a document, several hundred pages long. If you go through the slog of scrolling to page 228, you'll find Zenz's table 8-8-2 in the following page:
https://i.imgur.com/Zsi11eh.jpg
The relevant column is 放置节育器例数, the number of IUD's implanted. We have a total 总计 of 3.8 million, with Xinjiang 新疆 accounting for 328,475. Thus 8.7% of China's IUD's occurred in Xinjiang. A side note, but what really stands out about this table is not Xinjiang but Henan. In all of China, 86% of vasectomies and 26% of tubal litigations happened in Henan. Unlike IUD's, these are real sterilization procedures that cannot be reversed. It looks like the Chinese assistants helping Zenz mistakenly added a decimal. Either that or he’s just straight up lying - I’ll let you make your mind up on which you’d rather believe.
The 'falling birthrate' argument is also a bad faith spin on the fact that Xinjiang Uighurs only recently were placed under the same birthrate restrictions as the rest of China, where before ethnic minorities were allowed to have MORE children than the majority Han population (That article has a typical Western spin on it, but still) so yes, you could assume the birthrate has been dropping, but intentionally so and to suggest that it's some genocidal scheme to breed out the Uighurs is just patently silly. If you want to argue that the government dictating how many kids you can have is authoritarian overreach, that's fine, I'm not going to fight you on that whether I agree or not, but it IS applied across the board."