what happens to those that don't want to leave their homes
They presumably get hit by Ukrainian shells, which is a thing I assumed they would want to avoid.
Do they deserve to be cleansed by the Nazis or something?
No. But then neither does some poor dipshit in Kiev deserve to get hit by Russian artillery. Nobody deserves this shit. And cranking up the volume of artillery fired does not spare anyone. Burying more mines and dropping more cluster bombs does not spare anyone. Nothing the Russians did in the invasion spared anyone.
So basically you prefer inaction in the face of ethnic cleansing. So if Hitler hadn't invaded the Soviet Union, you think the Soviet Union should have just sat there forever never doing anything about him? Millions of lives would have been saved after all.
There's only one way to deal with Nazis, and it's not by giving them what they want.
What about in 1936 after those fascist paramilitaries were incorporated into the German army and then sent in to occupy the Rhineland? What would be your opinion in 1936 if the Rhineland had fought back instead of letting itself be occupied by Nazis? A lot of deaths could have been avoided if the Franco-Soviet treaty was enforced in 1936 or if the French and Russian backed Minsk 2 ceasefire had been enforced by the UN.
really stretching the metaphor here, but in your scenario its not just saying the rhineland should do self-defense, it's endorsing the French invading wurrtemburg & annexing the rhineland as well
The metaphor is indeed too stretched. I'll just say that I would have endorsed the French invading Nazi Germany in 1936 and indeed annexing any and all parts of it in order to bring peace to Europe. This is 1936 so I think the US was still supporting Nazi Germany at this point, if Germany had unlimited support from the US then the concept of a limited war against the Nazis would have been folly.
The Donbas is a lot more like Alsace–Lorraine (or Elsass-Lothringen) but that doesn't quite work out for historical analogies.
Cool, and what happens to those that don't want to leave their homes, as people commonly do? Do they deserve to be cleansed by the Nazis or something?
They presumably get hit by Ukrainian shells, which is a thing I assumed they would want to avoid.
No. But then neither does some poor dipshit in Kiev deserve to get hit by Russian artillery. Nobody deserves this shit. And cranking up the volume of artillery fired does not spare anyone. Burying more mines and dropping more cluster bombs does not spare anyone. Nothing the Russians did in the invasion spared anyone.
So basically you prefer inaction in the face of ethnic cleansing. So if Hitler hadn't invaded the Soviet Union, you think the Soviet Union should have just sat there forever never doing anything about him? Millions of lives would have been saved after all.
There's only one way to deal with Nazis, and it's not by giving them what they want.
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Giving passports to the few people willing to leave their homes is barely action. And for the rest, it's inaction.
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comparing brigades strength fascist paramilitaries to nazi germany is beyond asinine
Nazi Germany started out as brigade strength fascist paramilitaries. Look up the Freikorp, the SA, and the SS.
i think most would call invading Germany in 1932 over it an overreaction
I told him that I had fought in 1936 on the northwest sector of the Madrid front in the French Battalion of the XIth International Brigade. “Oh,” he said, “you were a premature anti-Fascist.” I was taken aback by the expression. How, I wondered, could anyone be a premature anti-Fascist? Could there be anything such as a premature antidote to a poison? A premature antiseptic? A premature antitoxin? A premature anti-racist? If you were not premature, what sort of anti-Fascist were you supposed to be? A punctual anti-Fascist? A timely one?
What about in 1936 after those fascist paramilitaries were incorporated into the German army and then sent in to occupy the Rhineland? What would be your opinion in 1936 if the Rhineland had fought back instead of letting itself be occupied by Nazis? A lot of deaths could have been avoided if the Franco-Soviet treaty was enforced in 1936 or if the French and Russian backed Minsk 2 ceasefire had been enforced by the UN.
really stretching the metaphor here, but in your scenario its not just saying the rhineland should do self-defense, it's endorsing the French invading wurrtemburg & annexing the rhineland as well
The metaphor is indeed too stretched. I'll just say that I would have endorsed the French invading Nazi Germany in 1936 and indeed annexing any and all parts of it in order to bring peace to Europe. This is 1936 so I think the US was still supporting Nazi Germany at this point, if Germany had unlimited support from the US then the concept of a limited war against the Nazis would have been folly.
The Donbas is a lot more like Alsace–Lorraine (or Elsass-Lothringen) but that doesn't quite work out for historical analogies.