If there is one outcome, remove the guise of control. Have my character speak for me. I don’t fucking care. I’d rather feel like my character is doing or saying something I wouldn’t personally do than for me to be given a fucking pop-up that means nothing and is just there to reinforce a self-insert facade. At least make a bit out of it if you’re gonna do it. It’s genuinely one of the worst pieces of game design outside of legitimately predatory behavior.

  • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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    That's pretty much the thing that made The Witcher 3 stand out, that there were just constantly little choices to make with no indication what would just be irrelevant because you'd just leave and never see anyone involved again and what would matter to the story later.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      By default, caring too much about other people (other than waifu figure or daughter figure) gets narratively punished. Dae le Witcherino coderino centrist

      • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        Other way around. Being overbearing and controlling towards Ciri leads to a bad end, while compassion in general leads to narratively better results like when you're literally put on trial for being a monster hunter only to have all the magical creatures you helped show up to speak to your defense.

        Like it consistently strongly favors non-violent resolution whenever possible except in one particular case, even when violence is the appropriate reaction (IIRC you lock one storyline into a bad end if you break the sleazy spymaster's leg), and generally casts Geralts natural detachment and alienation as bad things.

        I have a hard time even calling it particularly lib-brained because pretty much any other game comparable to it does it worse. It was made by a bunch of polish libs who have plenty of bad takes, but seemingly fewer brainworms than their American techbro counterparts.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          1 year ago

          seemingly fewer brainworms than their American techbro counterparts

          Helps that they weren't living in the most propangandized country on Earth.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          I quit early and the scenes most talked about in the fandom around me that weren't just directly awooga hypersus were about how cool it was that helping some needy people actually resulted in them being murderous criminals with the narration tsk tsking you for caring too much, because it's "cliche" and "political" for helping people to result in helped people.

          It didn't help that that same fandom was so awooga for Ciri in its discussions, either. kombucha-disgust

          If the epilogue strokes play out as you say they do, great. I'm glad to hear it. I didn't make it that far.

          • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            about how cool it was that helping some needy people actually resulted in them being murderous criminals with the narration tsk tsking you for caring too much, because it's "cliche" and "political" for helping people to result in helped people.

            I think that's from the first game? Where there are some elven guerilla fighters smuggling supplies into the city, and if you help them they later assassinate someone else you're on good terms with (because they're fighting a protracted people's war against the human authorities)? I'm fuzzy on the details because I didn't get that far in that one. But there were a lot of problems with that game.

            I can't think of any case like that from the third game. I know there are some "somebody in this situation is getting screwed over no matter what" choices but in general it's narratively better to be merciful and generous than vengeful and self-serving.

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              It's all a blur to me, but I'll take your word for it.

              I know the first one was the one with the dae le sexy sex trading card collection, which was steeply offputting to me in and of itself at the time because "dae le mature game" was already seeming downright juvenile to me as a pop culture trajectory.