There was some pretty scary shit going on in terms of surveillance of anti-war groups leading up to the Iraq war, and the anti-war protests were met with SWAT teams. Whereas the scariest thing the lib hawks will do is, accuse you of being misinformed on Twitter or Threads. The fact that so much of the right is borderline mocking them over their obsession with Russia just shows how impotent they are.
Only if you give a shit what those libs think. The whole lib method of controlling the discourse is built around getting people to buy into the idea that they’re the great moderators of what’s acceptable in the discourse. That’s why conservatives are immune to it because they straight up don’t give a rat’s ass what libs think and have no qualms about making that known.
A bunch of street protests that did nothing. A Presidential campaign that was "for the war before I was against it" and still lost, because of the opposition's focus on vilifying gay marriage. Am upswell in anti-war organizing that never managed to coalesce into a full blown party system. A plunge in military recruitment that has never recovered.
One could argue that the whole reason we're just air-mailing Ukrainians our military surplus rather than putting troops on the border is because we destroyed the appetite for foreign wars with the last two conflicts. One could argue that we were already dragging our feet into Iraq, from a popular standpoint, thanks to Korea and Vietnam.
I mean fuck the Dixie Chicks did it.
They did it then.
Roger Waters did it now.
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Now you basically HAVE to be a fucking Leninist to have even one iota of nuance about the conflict.
No you don't. Plenty of libertarian conservatives are as disgusted with the Ukraine conflict as they were with Iraq, and for all the same reasons. Plenty of liberals have more nuanced opinions, but get straight shouted down if they try to draw any kind of parallel to the last war. Plenty of moderates tap the "Debt Clock" while frowning dourly, because Deficit Spending Bad.
The support for the war is confined almost entirely to the NPR liberals and their need to wear their own Yellow Ribbons.
It just doesn't matter. The policy is being written in the State Department, wholly removed from any kind of popular input.
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There was some pretty scary shit going on in terms of surveillance of anti-war groups leading up to the Iraq war, and the anti-war protests were met with SWAT teams. Whereas the scariest thing the lib hawks will do is, accuse you of being misinformed on Twitter or Threads. The fact that so much of the right is borderline mocking them over their obsession with Russia just shows how impotent they are.
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Only if you give a shit what those libs think. The whole lib method of controlling the discourse is built around getting people to buy into the idea that they’re the great moderators of what’s acceptable in the discourse. That’s why conservatives are immune to it because they straight up don’t give a rat’s ass what libs think and have no qualms about making that known.
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Isn’t that what you’re arguing for anyway? I’m not sure what caring what libs think but also seeing them as immovable is going to accomplish.
A bunch of street protests that did nothing. A Presidential campaign that was "for the war before I was against it" and still lost, because of the opposition's focus on vilifying gay marriage. Am upswell in anti-war organizing that never managed to coalesce into a full blown party system. A plunge in military recruitment that has never recovered.
One could argue that the whole reason we're just air-mailing Ukrainians our military surplus rather than putting troops on the border is because we destroyed the appetite for foreign wars with the last two conflicts. One could argue that we were already dragging our feet into Iraq, from a popular standpoint, thanks to Korea and Vietnam.
They did it then.
Roger Waters did it now.
shrug
No you don't. Plenty of libertarian conservatives are as disgusted with the Ukraine conflict as they were with Iraq, and for all the same reasons. Plenty of liberals have more nuanced opinions, but get straight shouted down if they try to draw any kind of parallel to the last war. Plenty of moderates tap the "Debt Clock" while frowning dourly, because Deficit Spending Bad.
The support for the war is confined almost entirely to the NPR liberals and their need to wear their own Yellow Ribbons.
It just doesn't matter. The policy is being written in the State Department, wholly removed from any kind of popular input.