but is there any chance that Ukrainians wanted to push toward the EU and away from Russia’s economic influence?
No.
47% of Ukrainians pre 2014 coup were ethnically Russian and spoke Russian at home as their first language. There as a slight majority that were Ukrainian ethnicaly but many of them were also more interested in good a relationship with Russian and remember the good times of the USSR.
Russia had no issues with Ukraine making trade deals with the EU but the EU insisted Ukraine dump all agreements with Russia if it wanted trade deals with the EU. Essentially that would have destroyed all their bargaining power. It is a stupid position to take and only people who are Russophobic would even consider it. Europeans are imperialists who would Neo-colonialise Ukraine and treat it like they did Greece.
Ukrainians had no autonomy whatsoever and were being controlled by the CIA like puppets.
We have seen the CIA do this sort of thing all over the world. There is a phone call on youtube with a State Department official and the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine decided who they want to install as the next president of Ukraine after Yanukovych stepped down.
Those are good points. I do think the youth doesn’t have the sentimental attachment to the USSR that older Ukrainians would have. It sounds absurd but from what I hear from my Belarusian cousins they are jealous of Poland for being in the EU and they’d prefer to join the EU if it meant giving up their Russian ties. It’s probably similar to how lots of Scottish and Welsh people feel about England.
I guess my main issue with the “they couldn’t possibly side with Europe over Russia because they’re ethnically Russian” is that if Luka were to ever be overthrown by a pro-EU government in Belarus I know my cousins would love that and like most Belarusians they grew up speaking Russian. Many on this site would say that was a CIA plot or that they are brainwashed by Western propaganda but idk their economic outlook is generally pretty shitty over there. One of my cousins made it over here to the US from Belarus and loves it here compared with back home.
People aren’t necessarily 100% loyal to the country that aligns with their ethnicity or native language, that doesn’t really make sense. It wouldn’t surprise me if lots of Ukrainians disliked Yanukovych without the CIA brainwashing them into doing so since it’s probably similar to how plenty of Belarusians hate Luka in a similar way.
No.
47% of Ukrainians pre 2014 coup were ethnically Russian and spoke Russian at home as their first language. There as a slight majority that were Ukrainian ethnicaly but many of them were also more interested in good a relationship with Russian and remember the good times of the USSR.
Russia had no issues with Ukraine making trade deals with the EU but the EU insisted Ukraine dump all agreements with Russia if it wanted trade deals with the EU. Essentially that would have destroyed all their bargaining power. It is a stupid position to take and only people who are Russophobic would even consider it. Europeans are imperialists who would Neo-colonialise Ukraine and treat it like they did Greece.
We have seen the CIA do this sort of thing all over the world. There is a phone call on youtube with a State Department official and the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine decided who they want to install as the next president of Ukraine after Yanukovych stepped down.
Those are good points. I do think the youth doesn’t have the sentimental attachment to the USSR that older Ukrainians would have. It sounds absurd but from what I hear from my Belarusian cousins they are jealous of Poland for being in the EU and they’d prefer to join the EU if it meant giving up their Russian ties. It’s probably similar to how lots of Scottish and Welsh people feel about England.
I guess my main issue with the “they couldn’t possibly side with Europe over Russia because they’re ethnically Russian” is that if Luka were to ever be overthrown by a pro-EU government in Belarus I know my cousins would love that and like most Belarusians they grew up speaking Russian. Many on this site would say that was a CIA plot or that they are brainwashed by Western propaganda but idk their economic outlook is generally pretty shitty over there. One of my cousins made it over here to the US from Belarus and loves it here compared with back home.
People aren’t necessarily 100% loyal to the country that aligns with their ethnicity or native language, that doesn’t really make sense. It wouldn’t surprise me if lots of Ukrainians disliked Yanukovych without the CIA brainwashing them into doing so since it’s probably similar to how plenty of Belarusians hate Luka in a similar way.