solid analysis by a comrade

  • AlanTitchmarsh [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    There is a balance between how much harm you are preventing by voting for social democrats versus how much harm you are contributing in re-enforcing the system as it exists. For me, in my country, I vote for the soc-dems despite the internal conflict it causes me, to prevent things like the total privatisation of healthcare and total inaction on climate change. I’m not sure, from afar, how much damage the US Democrats prevent. The only reason I could see for voting for them is the insanity and borderline fascism of the GOP, but again that is obviously a product of the system as it exists.
    Really what is missing here is proper organisation within the left. If the left withheld their vote in an organised and collective manner, that could be a way to exert real power - the kind of power that would be worth sacrificing the scraps from the table that soc-dems throw. If it’s not organised and the perception is just ‘the youth don’t vote because they can’t be bothered’, then it’s probably valid to argue that not voting is cutting off one’s nose to spite the face, because nothing positive is going to come of it, whereas it may produce significant harm. We can say that electoral politics are worthless, but in reality they do have a significance that can’t be ignored, even if their not the pathway to real change.
    Of course the other argument against voting that leftists have is that acceleration would benefit us, but I think that’s a highly dubious and naive argument, based more in wishful thinking than any evidence.
    Having said all that, I would never shame anyone for not voting. On a moral level, it is disgusting to actively re-enforce the system. But to be completely realist about it, if there’s no strategy and no organisation in the refusal, then it’s not going to produce a desirable effect.

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      There is at least the beginning of organization in the refusal by voting for third parties with clear leftist platforms.

      • AlanTitchmarsh [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        In most Western countries the ‘far’ left party can usually get anywhere from 5-15% of the vote. That kind of vote would sink the Democrats and maybe shift them, or at least the Overton window, leftwards. But I think third party votes in the US are much smaller right? At least for the left wing parties.

        • Mokey [none/use name]
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          1 year ago

          Best case scenario it would take decades for the dem party to bow the knee, they dont care.

          • silent_water [she/her]
            hexagon
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            1 year ago

            possibly faster depending on events. a major recession would cause another leftward swing as people look for alternatives to the democrats.

        • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          If they were already extracting conscessions, we wouldn't be debating it. My argument is that they can with a bit more support.