Ex-national security adviser calls former boss ‘irrational’ and criticizes Republicans who support him on foreign policy

Don't threaten me with a good time. It's obviously just dumb scaremongering, but Trump is known to flip on policy on a whim so maybe 🥺

  • Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml
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    11 months ago

    This is how out of touch our leadership is that they think this is a scary proposition. The idea of the US leaving NATO has been getting more and more popular for the last few years especially since all the lethal aid to Ukraine started.

  • Black AOC@lemmygrad.ml
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    11 months ago

    There'll never be a day where I'm a Trump supporter; but I can say with confidence that deserting NATO is the only decent thing he'd do in office.

    • Flabbelgnarpf@lemm.ee
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      11 months ago

      Yea? NATO? Like leaving that giant military infrastructure that is the basis for western peace? Who do you think will profit from this? Who profits from Brexit, from destabilising western allies? How did Brexit go for Britain? Americans always think they are the only once doing stuff for nato bit that is so damn incorrect. USA profits from so much within nato. Bases around the globe, knowledge, expertise, shared intelligence… Yeah we get it you do pay a whole lot of fucking money but do you really think it would be less if you left nato? It would be the opposite. And alone is never better against anyone than allied. Or would you rather go fight twenty Boxers with two hands and no talks and compromises needed or with another 30 organised men with different skills and talents who are sometimes smaller than you but never the less talented in different martial arts?

    • albigu@lemmygrad.ml
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      11 months ago

      Yeah, I doubt he'd do it, but it's funny seeing actual Republicans being against foreign wars and NATO for what seems like the first time in 30 years.

      He usually seems to go with whatever gets the biggest reaction, so who knows, maybe he'll break away and finally start his war on Denmark over Greenland like he always wanted.

      • MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml
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        11 months ago

        Republicans would switch to supporting the war overnight if they were suddenly running it. It wouldn't even be hard -- one Trump tweet along the lines of "now that I'm in charge we'll do this right" and the rank and file would fall in line.

            • AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml
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              11 months ago

              1. That's a giant assertion to make without qualification....

              2. It's kinda beside the point. Bolton is talking about the US leaving the organization, not the dissolution of the organization.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
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                11 months ago

                What's there to qualify, NATO is an aggressive alliance that continues to expand and invade countries, and now it got itself into a proxy war with a nuclear superpower while already planning to expand into Asia to promote conflict with another nuclear superpower.

                Meanwhile, NATO cannot exist as an organization without US who provide pretty much all the military muscle of this gang. The rest of the countries combined have laughable military capacity, especially now that much of it has been sent to burn on the steppes of Ukraine. European industry is collapsing due to high energy costs, and Germany which is the only remaining major industrial power in Europe is deindustrializing as we speak.

  • 陆船。@lemmygrad.ml
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    11 months ago

    This is just Trump and people burned by him infighting in public. These two in particular blame each other for:

    • The political hostage taking of Meng Wanzhou
    • Assassination of Qasem Soleimani
    • The JCPOA (Iran deal)
    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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      11 months ago

      Didn't Bolton after being sacked wrote angry book where he accused Trump of being the least bloodthirsty republican like it was the worst betrayal of their ideals ever?

  • knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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    11 months ago

    If a president were to attempt to leave NATO there would be a JFK type event orchestrated real quick.

      • knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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        11 months ago

        I didn't mean that in an optimistic way. I just see how important NATO is for the US permanent war economy and can't imagine the capitalists letting that cash cow go without a serious fight. Kennedy was also very likely killed because he wasn't receptive to the permanent war economy. I also don't see a whole lot of secret control happening what with how public weapons deals need to be, and it would be completely obvious when the rest of NATO would just mysteriously do what's in the US capitalist's best interests rather than their own capitalists.