The problem is “and their accomplices”. It implies that if you don’t support the imperialist conquest of Ukraine then you are a Nazi, or that all Ukrainians are Nazis.
Please don't flatter yourself, like seriously.
On the scale of supporting/opposing Ukrainian Nazism there is say 5 distinct levels here.
1- Acknowledge the Nazis exist
2- Acknowledge they are persecuting the Russian population in Eastern Ukraine, acknowledge the Maidan coup, acknowledge a solution was already attempted and failed(by Ukrainian non-cooperation)
3- Given they exist and cause harm, understand and support the idea you and your western country should be at least neutral towards them
4-Argue that perhaps your western country should actually oppose actualy existing Nazis in practice and not just rhetoric
5- Actually do anything meaningful to support Russia in this war.
The shit libs in here are mostly in level 1, few even look towards reaching level 2.
Meanwhile you write some nonsense as if the discourse here is at level 5 and we are actually asking you to actualy go out there and go fight for Russia or some shit.
You are clearly struggling to even accept they exist so yeah as I said, don't flatter yourself as if people are asking you to support Russia when you don't even acknowledge the Nazis exist. Realy either educate yourself, or don't, either way just don't look like a fool with "but your asking for my support?" nonsense.
what do you make of the phone call with Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland where she specifically names who should be the next President of Ukraine before he was actually elected?
Russia has frequently done major crackdowns against the far right and Nazi groups in their own country. Ukraine invited them into high level positions of power. Ukraine banned all left wing political parties and has put up statues glorifying Nazi Holocaust perpetrators. Fuck off with this nonsense.
I'm denying their power in the Ukraine government.
There's a lot of Banderites in the Ukraine government. For example, there was a diplomatic incident where the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany publically engaged in Holocaust denial, falsely claiming that there was no evidence of Bandera's participation in the Holocaust.
My main point is that Russia successfully overthrowing the Ukrainian government would be a very bad thing
It's also not a particularly likely thing. The most likely resolution to the war is the cessation of some amount of territory, not complete occupation or the overthrow of the government.
Most of the "education yourself" is just asking people to believe conspiracy theories. A political alliance of several factions, lead by hundreds of thousands of civilians, ousted a Russian puppet government and people here decide that it was actually done by the CIA, all because amerikkka expressed support for the new Ukrainian government after it was finished. Yeah the CIA paid off all 500,000 civilian protesters, it was all astroturfed and wouldn't have happened without the CIA. Real big brain hours. Baseless conspiracy theories isn't real leftism, it isn't actual education. It's just seeing a narrative that you want to be true and assuming it is true without looking into what happened at all.
Completely dismissing the possibility that the CIA was involved in a coup as a "conspiracy theory" is extremely And equating that suspicion with "The CIA paid off all 500,000 protesters" is a pretty blatant strawman. There's plenty of ways that a foreign government could influence and support a popular uprising that aren't just directly bribing random people.
What about the uprising in Donbas? Do you think the only two options are 1) it's a legitimate reflection of popular support, or 2) everyone who supported it was bribed by the Russian government? Because if it's 2, then I'd call that a conspiracy theory. But I think there's plenty of possibilities in between those two. Personally, I'm of the opinion that both cases warrant similar degrees of skepticism. I recommend reading up on the history of CIA backed coups to get a better understanding of what mechanisms can be employed in such instances.
Please don't flatter yourself, like seriously.
On the scale of supporting/opposing Ukrainian Nazism there is say 5 distinct levels here.
1- Acknowledge the Nazis exist
2- Acknowledge they are persecuting the Russian population in Eastern Ukraine, acknowledge the Maidan coup, acknowledge a solution was already attempted and failed(by Ukrainian non-cooperation)
3- Given they exist and cause harm, understand and support the idea you and your western country should be at least neutral towards them
4-Argue that perhaps your western country should actually oppose actualy existing Nazis in practice and not just rhetoric
5- Actually do anything meaningful to support Russia in this war.
The shit libs in here are mostly in level 1, few even look towards reaching level 2.
Meanwhile you write some nonsense as if the discourse here is at level 5 and we are actually asking you to actualy go out there and go fight for Russia or some shit.
You are clearly struggling to even accept they exist so yeah as I said, don't flatter yourself as if people are asking you to support Russia when you don't even acknowledge the Nazis exist. Realy either educate yourself, or don't, either way just don't look like a fool with "but your asking for my support?" nonsense.
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what do you make of the phone call with Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland where she specifically names who should be the next President of Ukraine before he was actually elected?
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Russia has frequently done major crackdowns against the far right and Nazi groups in their own country. Ukraine invited them into high level positions of power. Ukraine banned all left wing political parties and has put up statues glorifying Nazi Holocaust perpetrators. Fuck off with this nonsense.
There's a lot of Banderites in the Ukraine government. For example, there was a diplomatic incident where the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany publically engaged in Holocaust denial, falsely claiming that there was no evidence of Bandera's participation in the Holocaust.
It's also not a particularly likely thing. The most likely resolution to the war is the cessation of some amount of territory, not complete occupation or the overthrow of the government.
Completely dismissing the possibility that the CIA was involved in a coup as a "conspiracy theory" is extremely
And equating that suspicion with "The CIA paid off all 500,000 protesters" is a pretty blatant strawman. There's plenty of ways that a foreign government could influence and support a popular uprising that aren't just directly bribing random people.
What about the uprising in Donbas? Do you think the only two options are 1) it's a legitimate reflection of popular support, or 2) everyone who supported it was bribed by the Russian government? Because if it's 2, then I'd call that a conspiracy theory. But I think there's plenty of possibilities in between those two. Personally, I'm of the opinion that both cases warrant similar degrees of skepticism. I recommend reading up on the history of CIA backed coups to get a better understanding of what mechanisms can be employed in such instances.