The statement followed a report in The Times that a federal health official had urged the removal of age minimums from treatment guidelines for transgender minors.
Another boneheaded triangulation move from Biden. Stop giving ground to the enemy. All they do is use your compromise as a starting point to force further compromise. Give them nothing.
No Republican had to give anything up to achieve this, this is literally just the Democrats doing exactly what they want to do because they want to do it.
I wish they'd just be honest about the triangulation. "due to the political climate, we will not be following the best practices as recommended by the relevant experts"
I fear this is the start of the Democrats becoming like UK's labour. I won't be surprised if Levine is forced out of her position before the election, based on how the New York Terfs are centering her in this story. Until now, the NYT has mostly just focused on parents "concerns". But now they're setting their sights on the institutions that trans people rely on. Like the UK media did with Tavistock
Puberty blockers are not life altering drugs and have been used on cis children for decades with no issues being raised about it, let alone of this scale. Any stance other than this, one based in actual reality, is caving to right wing framing of the issue.
permanent surgeries
So exceedingly rare among trans children that it's not worth talking about. Trans children rarely get access to puberty blockers, let alone surgeries. Editing to add: Most surgeries are done to reverse the effects of a wrong puberty. If trans kids got the blockers/HRT they needed, they wouldn't have a need to undergo surgery, except for maybe GRS, which is not a universal desire among trans people.
until they are adults that can make those decisions
This is also caving to right wing rhetoric on the issue. Trans children are not walking into gender clinics and saying "One gender-affirming surgery, please :)", this process typically involves multiple doctors, usually a therapist of some kind, and obviously the kid's parent(s)/guardian(s). Just like the abortion issue, it should stay that way and be free of state intervention, because to say otherwise would be to contradict the overwhelming majority of medical evidence from the past several decades that indicate that transition leads to the best outcomes for trans people.
I want to be able to tell them that the trans issue is being used to divide us and get people to vote against their economic interests.
As Outdoor_Catgirl said, this issue is not a fucking distraction. To be free from discrimination and the very real threat of violence that often results murder should ostensibly be an issue liberals would care about. But even with the most selfish framing, trans issues are directly related to the lack of adequate and affordable healthcare that plagues this country even after it socially murdered over a million people with the lack of COVID response. So, trans issues should not be seen as a "distraction" or a "culture war", because increasing discrimination and stochastic violence against a vulnerable minority should be issues that even liberals care about.
No, fuck off and die. If you're trans, you should be able to get the hormones you want instead of having your body warped and mutated by the incorrect puberty. The only trans people who disagree with this are pickmes who think that by groveling and sucking up to cis people they might be less transphobic(it won't work, you will never be "one of the good ones.) You know what's a life altering change to your body? Fucking cis puberty. Everyone who thinks that trans kids who realize their actual gender and come out before 18 should be unable to transition is bigoted scum. Transphobes should be forcibly dosed with estrogen/testosterone so that they are made to experience even a tiny fraction of the suffering and dysphoria that is being trans.
"The trans issue is being used to divide us and distract from economy" eat shit and die. The right to medical care, to be free from discrimination, to not get fucking murdered like Brianna Ghey and Nex Benedict or god knows how many others is not a distraction. It is not culture war.
Oh, so trans people are responsible for transphobia now. We should just shut up and "keep it in the bedroom, I don't want to see that kind of stuff on public" and maybe the "largely supportive" cissoids will give us a crumb of rights. Got it.
I don't think your "fuck off and die" attitude is going to convince very many people to be accepting of trans people.
Do you think maybe that attitude is the result of being one of the primary political scapegoats for fascists for several years now, while liberals have largely sat on their hands and done nothing while hundreds and hundreds of discriminatory bills flow through state legislatures every single year? While liberals like you gradually adopt reactionary framing (the "dangers" of puberty blockers and the alleged commonality of trans surgeries for children) on the issue, ceding ever more ground to their rhetoric?
You're providing a perfect example of the kind of attitude that will get fascists elected.
And then victim blaming as the cherry on top. Very cool.
While an aggressive attitude won't change the mind of bigots, a polite and respectful response to someone who advocates for forcing kids to go through the wrong puberty is going to be especially difficult for people with personal trauma for it, and it's unreasonable to expect it of them.
I think it's a reasonable reaction to throw polite discourse out when people use "moderate" as a cover for their bigotry. This is like when "moderate" person said that segregation of black people was reasonable when people were fighting for their civil rights, and that since the moderates weren't pro-slavery so they were the good guys. No, you're not the good guys, you're just not as bad as the super evil guys. Congrats.
Now I won't tell you to "fuck off and die", but I will tell you to fuck off. If you were someone I personally knew, I would have put in the effort to be polite and try to educate you or whatever, but since we don't know each other it's unlikely to land.
Puberty is not something that is "inflicted" on anyone.
It is when we have the safe medication to make it avoidable for someone who would be harmed by it, but """moderates""" are tying themselves into knots trying to find ways to subvert the medical consensus because the existence of trans children makes them uncomfortable or whatever fucking justification they tell themselves.
The moderate position between medical science and ideology is still nonsense.
Puberty is life altering. My body was permanently changed by testosterone in ways that I can never fix and now I have to live the rest of my life with those scars.
Another boneheaded triangulation move from Biden. Stop giving ground to the enemy. All they do is use your compromise as a starting point to force further compromise. Give them nothing.
hes not giving ground to the enemy.
he is a conservative, he IS the enemy.
No Republican had to give anything up to achieve this, this is literally just the Democrats doing exactly what they want to do because they want to do it.
I wish they'd just be honest about the triangulation. "due to the political climate, we will not be following the best practices as recommended by the relevant experts"
I fear this is the start of the Democrats becoming like UK's labour. I won't be surprised if Levine is forced out of her position before the election, based on how the New York Terfs are centering her in this story. Until now, the NYT has mostly just focused on parents "concerns". But now they're setting their sights on the institutions that trans people rely on. Like the UK media did with Tavistock
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Puberty blockers are not life altering drugs and have been used on cis children for decades with no issues being raised about it, let alone of this scale. Any stance other than this, one based in actual reality, is caving to right wing framing of the issue.
So exceedingly rare among trans children that it's not worth talking about. Trans children rarely get access to puberty blockers, let alone surgeries. Editing to add: Most surgeries are done to reverse the effects of a wrong puberty. If trans kids got the blockers/HRT they needed, they wouldn't have a need to undergo surgery, except for maybe GRS, which is not a universal desire among trans people.
This is also caving to right wing rhetoric on the issue. Trans children are not walking into gender clinics and saying "One gender-affirming surgery, please :)", this process typically involves multiple doctors, usually a therapist of some kind, and obviously the kid's parent(s)/guardian(s). Just like the abortion issue, it should stay that way and be free of state intervention, because to say otherwise would be to contradict the overwhelming majority of medical evidence from the past several decades that indicate that transition leads to the best outcomes for trans people.
As Outdoor_Catgirl said, this issue is not a fucking distraction. To be free from discrimination and the very real threat of violence that often results murder should ostensibly be an issue liberals would care about. But even with the most selfish framing, trans issues are directly related to the lack of adequate and affordable healthcare that plagues this country even after it socially murdered over a million people with the lack of COVID response. So, trans issues should not be seen as a "distraction" or a "culture war", because increasing discrimination and stochastic violence against a vulnerable minority should be issues that even liberals care about.
No, fuck off and die. If you're trans, you should be able to get the hormones you want instead of having your body warped and mutated by the incorrect puberty. The only trans people who disagree with this are pickmes who think that by groveling and sucking up to cis people they might be less transphobic(it won't work, you will never be "one of the good ones.) You know what's a life altering change to your body? Fucking cis puberty. Everyone who thinks that trans kids who realize their actual gender and come out before 18 should be unable to transition is bigoted scum. Transphobes should be forcibly dosed with estrogen/testosterone so that they are made to experience even a tiny fraction of the suffering and dysphoria that is being trans.
"The trans issue is being used to divide us and distract from economy" eat shit and die. The right to medical care, to be free from discrimination, to not get fucking murdered like Brianna Ghey and Nex Benedict or god knows how many others is not a distraction. It is not culture war.
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Oh, so trans people are responsible for transphobia now. We should just shut up and "keep it in the bedroom, I don't want to see that kind of stuff on public" and maybe the "largely supportive" cissoids will give us a crumb of rights. Got it.
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Do you think maybe that attitude is the result of being one of the primary political scapegoats for fascists for several years now, while liberals have largely sat on their hands and done nothing while hundreds and hundreds of discriminatory bills flow through state legislatures every single year? While liberals like you gradually adopt reactionary framing (the "dangers" of puberty blockers and the alleged commonality of trans surgeries for children) on the issue, ceding ever more ground to their rhetoric?
And then victim blaming as the cherry on top. Very cool.
While an aggressive attitude won't change the mind of bigots, a polite and respectful response to someone who advocates for forcing kids to go through the wrong puberty is going to be especially difficult for people with personal trauma for it, and it's unreasonable to expect it of them.
I think it's a reasonable reaction to throw polite discourse out when people use "moderate" as a cover for their bigotry. This is like when "moderate" person said that segregation of black people was reasonable when people were fighting for their civil rights, and that since the moderates weren't pro-slavery so they were the good guys. No, you're not the good guys, you're just not as bad as the super evil guys. Congrats.
Now I won't tell you to "fuck off and die", but I will tell you to fuck off. If you were someone I personally knew, I would have put in the effort to be polite and try to educate you or whatever, but since we don't know each other it's unlikely to land.
I say it as someone who used to think like you.
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It is when we have the safe medication to make it avoidable for someone who would be harmed by it, but """moderates""" are tying themselves into knots trying to find ways to subvert the medical consensus because the existence of trans children makes them uncomfortable or whatever fucking justification they tell themselves.
The moderate position between medical science and ideology is still nonsense.
Puberty is life altering. My body was permanently changed by testosterone in ways that I can never fix and now I have to live the rest of my life with those scars.
Trust doctors.
The right: I know better than doctors, and need to make medical decisions for the unwashed masses
Moderates: I know better than doctors, and need to make medical decisions for the unwashed masses
Leftists on Lemmy: bro wtf
Only got the auto TLDR to go on but it sounds like he is challenging them to reinstate medication. What is he compramising?