• traveler01@lemdro.id
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    1 year ago

    For what I've heard japanese spend a lot of time working and their economy isn't that great. People mostly avoid having children under these conditions for good reasons.

    • SlopppyEngineer@discuss.tchncs.de
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      1 year ago

      It's not much better in the rest of the West too. Turns out that building a society where money and career determines your social status and doing unpaid work like taking care of a family and raising children is not valued at all and even very expensive makes people choose to have less or no children.

      People of course do want children, but those that do very often will choose one or two children, below replacement rate.

        • WittyProfileName2 [she/her]
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          1 year ago

          pays for the children of non-working people (there's a shitload of subsidies going into their pockets),

          Do children deserve to starve because their parents aren't employed?

          • traveler01@lemdro.id
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            1 year ago

            Do children deserve to starve because their parents aren't employed?

            Because they don't want to work. There's enough jobs.

            • SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]
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              1 year ago

              people deserve to starve in an age of plenty

              this pigbrained subhuman cruelty betrays you as an american citizen, thank god your shithole is in decline lol you should all rot and die there for the good of the world

              • Asafum@feddit.nl
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                1 year ago

                Can you maybe not see entire groups as the same?

                There are Americans that routinely get sent to jail protesting/fighting to change America for the better every day. There are those of us in this very thread that agree with you calling the other commentor a pigbrained subhuman. The strict adherence to an absolutely shit narrative given to them by Reich Wing Media disgusts a large portion of our population.

                It's not entirely our fault that propaganda is so effective at keeping the absolute worst possible people in office and rotting the brains of our neighbors. The blame rests on the oligarchs and ultra wealthy assholes looking to divide and conquer, turning all of us against each other while they laugh all the way to their 3rd private island...

              • pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee
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                1 year ago

                America falling apart would be horrifyingly destructive for the rest of the world, for it will allow other corrupt capitalist powers that are, let's be honest, not as humane, take over the rest of the world.

                Then again, the destabilization of the U.S. is well under way and our collapse is inevitable so I guess disputing it is a moot point.

                • SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]
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                  1 year ago

                  America falling apart would be horrifyingly destructive for the rest of the world, for it will allow other corrupt capitalist powers that are, let's be honest, not as humane, take over the rest of the world.

                  Well technically the continuation of america is more destructive than its inevitable decline, since america has a very awful pattern of killing millions of people for the enrichment of its elite, via means such as invasions, installing genocidal puppet leaders, and corporate extraction. The worst part is that america often destroys countries just as their people are on the brink of greater liberation.

                  Notable examples include:

                  Installing the Taliban in Afghanistan to oppose a Socialist government then destroying it

                  Destroying Iraq for Oil

                  Helping quash the Protocommunist Taiping Rebellion in China

                  The current blockade of Cuba

                  The current blockade of North Korea

                  The murder of socialist president Salvador Allende in Chile and the installation of Pinochet, a neoliberal dictator

                  The Contras

                  Sending $3 billion a year to isntreal for the mass killing of Palestinians

                  The genocide of first nations peoples on the North American continent itself

                  Assassinating Fred Hampton and the political killings of the Black Panther Party

                  Meddling in the affairs of practically every single third world country on Earth

                  Fucking Monsanto and their land grabbing bullshit

                  It is also probably the most inhumane of the corrupt capitalist powers as revealed in the details of these genocidal ventures either by using its own weapons or by proxy.

                  As such, the death of america would enable the possibility of a flourishing of socialist nations without the threat of the worlds most powerful military brought to full bear against their people for daring to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.

                  • SwampYankee@mander.xyz
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                    1 year ago

                    If US hegemony ended today, it would mean immediate war between Saudi Arabia & Iran, China & Japan/South Korea, Russia & the former Soviet states, and probably China & India eventually. The US is far and away the most powerful military in the world, and without the threat of the US military intervening on behalf of its allies, those conflicts are nowhere near as one-sided as they are today.

                    For example, see what happened as the Ottoman Empire & European colonial empires collapsed at the beginning of the 20th century. Then scale that up from a 2.3 billion global population to 8 billion.

                    Whatever you want to say about the crimes against humanity committed in the maintenance of US hegemony, I will agree with you, but that doesn't mean for a second that the alternative is better. Be careful what you wish for and all that.

                  • pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee
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                    1 year ago

                    ...Until Russia and China start doing literally the same things if not worse. Russia wouldn't hesitate to nuke countries that wouldn't play ball with it, for example.

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                • BeamBrain [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  America falling apart would be horrifyingly destructive for the rest of the world, for it will allow other corrupt capitalist powers that are, let's be honest, not as humane, take over the rest of the world.

                  This is what every imperial power says about itself

                • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  Damn it's too bad we won't have the humane government that did the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment and invented Eugenics

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                  • traveler01@lemdro.id
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                    1 year ago

                    because your own economic status is precarious

                    So you pretty much called me dumb because I’m poor?

                    And also, that since you don’t agree with my economic views, Im just “brainwashed”? Seriously? That’s your argument? Seriously, go see the world, every country that actually applied your way of thinking ended up having a lot more children starving than the ones who apply my views.

                    State shouldn’t be taxing workers because some morons who decided to have children when they’re not supposed to don’t want to go work for 7$ a hour. Get a fucking grip and grow up “mate”

            • BeamBrain [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Capitalism by its nature has an interest in keeping part of the working class unemployed. Look up "reserve army of labor".

        • lolcatnip@reddthat.com
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          1 year ago

          the children of non-working people

          Your wording alone demonstrates exactly what SloppyEngineer said about unpaid work not being valued at all.

        • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
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          1 year ago

          When you work 8 hours a day, have 1 hour lunch break, waste 2 hours commuting, to earn barely enough of what Adam Smith considers ideal (twice the cost of living), it's hard to sustain a second person, much less a third that requires near constant monitoring for over 7 years.

          From a pure economic perspective, a child is a total money sink for at least 18 years. In many places (mostly urban), it's simply not viable to have one.

            • Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml
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              1 year ago

              Short term, raise the minimum wage. Force walmart to fill the gaps between what they pay and what their workers need to live. Right now, it's the government is subsidizing that gap.

              • Asafum@feddit.nl
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                1 year ago

                Gigantic mothefucking emphasis on short term.

                Our piece of shit, bought and paid for politicians LOVE to pull the "we're fighting to raise the minimum wage from X to Y!" but only over such a long timeline that the value of Y equals what X was... God forbid the Job Creators™©® have to ever actually pay more.

                • Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml
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                  1 year ago

                  Agreed, but getting an increase in minimum wage would get the ball rolling on other worker right reforms.

                • Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml
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                  1 year ago

                  Socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

                  The rich can pay lobbyists to pay politicians.

                • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  The US government already subsidizes companies like Wal-Mart and Amazon because they force their lowest-paid employees to apply for food stamps even though they work.

    • Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      It's crazy how much doesn't even get done. No one wants to leave before their boss, so they space out their work and give the appearance of being busy.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      For what I've heard japanese spend a lot of time working

      According to the OECD, the average Japanese worker works just about the same number of hours per year as the average EU worker. It's actually pretty surprising because the average Japanese worker seems to work less than workers in countries that most people do not think of as being overworked (e.g. Canada, Spain, Italy).

      Of course, averages don't account for distribution, so there absolutely are workers who are chronically overworked. There's also more part-time workers in Japan, which kind of explains things. On the other hand, you then have to ask how/why it's financially feasible for so many people to sustain their livelihoods with only part time work.