"China stole the f-35 plans!" So? Who care? Like literally who cares? What are they going to do, build air defense systems to counter america's strategic baby murdering capabilities?

"China is going to invade taiwan!" Again, whocares? Why do you give a single fuck about taiwan? And why do you think china is going to invade when y'all constantly talk about how china doesn't have the capacity to invade and taiwan would just blow the chip fabs anyway? And china has it's own mature chip technology? So why do you think they're poised to invade when you ourright say they cannot do that and have no incentive to, they're not producing military gear capable of invasion, and their publicly stated goal of peaceful integration has been consistent with their praxis for, what, fifty goddamn years?

"China is spying on us through tiktok!" One, no they're not, and no credible source believes they are, or even that they could. Two, senior us officials have openly stated they are trying to seize control of tiktok because it exposes kids to information outside of us control. Three, who care? What the fuck is china going to do to harm you? Why are you worried about china enough to talk about it constantly, but you're totally dismissive of five eyes very real and publicly proven surveillance of your lives, which five eyes does use to cause you real material harm?

How can people this fucking smart be this fucking stupid when the state department sprinkles a little racism on their propaganda? Oh, and also, i was told today that wikipedia says china is doing uighurcide and they don't need to read the un report because they skimmed it and then they start moving the goalposts from genocide to human rights vioations and bitching about prison labor which, again, you fuckers never talk about the us prison slave system that actually effects your life and that you could actually do something about? Fuck's sake this shit is so goddamn frustrating. These people are smart as hell but as soon as they see an epicathic fold they turn in to the fucking john birch society.

  • moujikman
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    2 months ago

    We're not at war with China. China is our largest trading partner. Realistically we could never be at war with China because our lives would be terribly hard without them. Stop wanting to be at war with China. Do they realize what that means???

    • reverendz@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 months ago

      Nearly everything is made in China or has parts or materials from China.

      Actual war would shut down pipelines for medicine, consumer electronics of every kind, appliances, tools, reagents, etc

      I don’t know if people realize how reliant we are on China.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        Say what you will about Deng Xiaoping as a Communist, inducing the West to tie its entire economy to China by appealing to capitalist greed was a masterstroke of geopolitics.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 months ago

      I think some people unironically believe that manufacturing can be brought back to the West with the wave of a hand. Never mind that you need to build the factories. Never mind you have to retrain a generation of people who have lost institutional knowledge about manufacturing. Never mind the fact that China produces the most machine tools of any nation in the world. Just manifest it with thoughts and prayers.

      • Palacegalleryratio [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        It’s a skill gap the size of an ocean at this point.

        There's a confusion about China. The popular conception is that companies come to China because of low labor cost. I'm not sure what part of China they go to, but the truth is China stopped being the low-labor-cost country many years ago. And that is not the reason to come to China from a supply point of view. The reason is because of the skill, and the quantity of skill in one location and the type of skill it is.

        The products we do require really advanced tooling, and the precision that you have to have, the tooling and working with the materials that we do are state of the art. And the tooling skill is very deep here. In the U.S., you could have a meeting of tooling engineers and I'm not sure we could fill the room. In China, you could fill multiple football fields.

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      • coolusername@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        More importantly it would need to be PROFTABLE. In a capitalist country institutions aren't going to do shit if there's no profit involved. The only way this would work if they forbade US "allied" countries to trade with China and then forced them to buy US goods, and ideallly cripple their productive capacity at the same time (see: destruction of Nordstream 2). In this world still the US and any countries aligned with the US will quickly become quite poor in terms of living standards.

    • Count042@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      Just to be clear, this one particular argument is exactly what was said before the great war.

      It's never been an argument against war. It assumes rationality and intelligence in our leaders.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 months ago

        No question, washington's constant warmongering and provocations are fucking unbelievable. They're trying to drag the whole world in to wwiii and idk what they even think they hope to achieve.