If your position is, "bring on the US collapse; maybe it'll ease the boot off the Palestinians' necks," all I can say is that I hope you're right and I hope you're prepared.
If your position is, "bring on the US collapse; I mean how much worse can it actually get?" you probably have no clue what you're talking about unless you've personally spent time in a war zone or lived through Katrina or something like that.
One of the things that struck me while studying the Russian revolution is just how much of an academic relationship we communists have to major periods of historical change. From our position it's way easier to imagine ourselves in the room with Lenin trying to make a tough decision on agricultural policy than it is to imagine stretching your food store through a region-wide famine and crop failure, or watching your family all catch cholera, or getting shot by the white army...
Yeah I was just trying to say the "how much worse can it get?" People are being myopic, coming from someone who has been to the poor parts of India, Nepal, and Mexico, and China pre economic surge.
Lots of those places are bad because of American and western colonialism and imperialism in the first place. Focusing only on American domestic situation is chauvinism and is the actual privileged position, aping and pretending to be thinkin of the littlefolk when it's really just nativist masturbation
FYI I grew up in Egypt and lived through the Arab Spring and I want the chickens to come home to roost. I live in the US now and will happily support a collapse of this shithole
Why does this imagination mind game mean anything at all? We're not "in an academic relationship" we are self-conscious proletariat aware of our world-historical role. It is our job to destroy the imperialist machine from within. The navel-gazing is irrelevant. One way or the other the only way forward for humanity is the destruction and implosion of the US.
imagine stretching your food store through a region-wide famine and crop failure, or watching your family all catch cholera, or getting shot by the white army…
If hardship is necessary for a better future, it's necessary. But people should contemplate what that hardship will actually look like and understand what they're actually advocating.
Socialism is a mass project: educating the masses and gaining their support. People will endure hardship if it's necessary and they understand why it's necessary, but they'll fight if it's imposed from above with indifference or flippancy.
If your position is, "bring on the US collapse; maybe it'll ease the boot off the Palestinians' necks," all I can say is that I hope you're right and I hope you're prepared.
If your position is, "bring on the US collapse; I mean how much worse can it actually get?" you probably have no clue what you're talking about unless you've personally spent time in a war zone or lived through Katrina or something like that.
One of the things that struck me while studying the Russian revolution is just how much of an academic relationship we communists have to major periods of historical change. From our position it's way easier to imagine ourselves in the room with Lenin trying to make a tough decision on agricultural policy than it is to imagine stretching your food store through a region-wide famine and crop failure, or watching your family all catch cholera, or getting shot by the white army...
Speaking of Katrina, does Houston have power yet?
Yes finally, my family didn't have any for a fucking week in that heat
I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I've lived in Houston, I can imagine how miserable it was.
Yeah I was just trying to say the "how much worse can it get?" People are being myopic, coming from someone who has been to the poor parts of India, Nepal, and Mexico, and China pre economic surge.
Lots of those places are bad because of American and western colonialism and imperialism in the first place. Focusing only on American domestic situation is chauvinism and is the actual privileged position, aping and pretending to be thinkin of the littlefolk when it's really just nativist masturbation
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FYI I grew up in Egypt and lived through the Arab Spring and I want the chickens to come home to roost. I live in the US now and will happily support a collapse of this shithole
That is badass dude
Yeah, that's totally fair.
Very interesting, could we know why?
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Eh y? I was guessing u went on a gap year or sthing
Oh I just didn't wanna leave any identifying info, it was mostly visiting friends/family
thnx that sounds fun
Why does this imagination mind game mean anything at all? We're not "in an academic relationship" we are self-conscious proletariat aware of our world-historical role. It is our job to destroy the imperialist machine from within. The navel-gazing is irrelevant. One way or the other the only way forward for humanity is the destruction and implosion of the US.
It means you have to tread carefully when organizing, and that it's important not to be callous about hardship.
We're a bunch of dorks on a tiny niche internet forum that's mostly goofy commie memes.
I’m not talking about hexbear users with “we”
If hardship is necessary for a better future, it's necessary. But people should contemplate what that hardship will actually look like and understand what they're actually advocating.
Socialism is a mass project: educating the masses and gaining their support. People will endure hardship if it's necessary and they understand why it's necessary, but they'll fight if it's imposed from above with indifference or flippancy.
My position is that my hoping one way or another probably doesn't have much influence on the outcome.