“It was like a fight between two packs of dogs,” said an officer, describing the struggle for one of the areas, Urozhaine. But “there came a moment when it made no sense to keep people there.”
Ok OP, I've been seeing your posts here and they almost always seem to have an anti-west take on things. I try to read news from both sides of the aisle and make my own conclusions, so I'm genuinely curious: why do you think Ukraine should roll over and hand over their lands to Russia, or alternately, why is Russia justified in this war (that apparently they did provoke)?
Because it's obvious to anybody with a functioning brain that Ukraine will lose this war, and the only thing that's being accomplished in the process is that hundreds of thousands people die, and millions more have their lives ruined. Prolonging the conflict will not change the outcome.
The whole angle to talk about justifying the war is just empty moralizing. The reality of geopolitics is that might makes right. This is what US led "rules based" order has established since the fall of USSR. NATO has invaded and destroyed numerous countries, and they were able to do that because nobody could stand up to them. There were no consequences for any western leaders, and no justifications are necessary. Now Russia is doing the same, the only reason westerners seem to be upset about it is because it's somebody else doing the same things the west has been doing.
That would be, as far as Ukraine's current public statements and NATO's as well, a loss.
Ukraine's military can't push the Russian military back to the Russian border and Russia isn't going to agree to handing most of the places along the border that are currently being occupied by Russian troops back Ukraine/NATO.
What do you call it when you have an alliance that will defend you from the repercussions of your illegal actions, as NATO would have shielded France from any Libyan counterattack?
Hadn't the Ukraine military been attacking its own cities in the border territories since 2015? Seems like the Ukrainians didn't really want the areas that much to begin with, so why not let those areas be taken by Russia?
Ok OP, I've been seeing your posts here and they almost always seem to have an anti-west take on things. I try to read news from both sides of the aisle and make my own conclusions, so I'm genuinely curious: why do you think Ukraine should roll over and hand over their lands to Russia, or alternately, why is Russia justified in this war (that apparently they did provoke)?
Because it's obvious to anybody with a functioning brain that Ukraine will lose this war, and the only thing that's being accomplished in the process is that hundreds of thousands people die, and millions more have their lives ruined. Prolonging the conflict will not change the outcome.
The whole angle to talk about justifying the war is just empty moralizing. The reality of geopolitics is that might makes right. This is what US led "rules based" order has established since the fall of USSR. NATO has invaded and destroyed numerous countries, and they were able to do that because nobody could stand up to them. There were no consequences for any western leaders, and no justifications are necessary. Now Russia is doing the same, the only reason westerners seem to be upset about it is because it's somebody else doing the same things the west has been doing.
No. Some countries, also part of NATO, invaded other countries.
Don’t put the blame on NATO when some countries disregard international laws.
And no, Ukraine won’t loose the war. At minimum, it will be a draw.
That would be, as far as Ukraine's current public statements and NATO's as well, a loss.
Ukraine's military can't push the Russian military back to the Russian border and Russia isn't going to agree to handing most of the places along the border that are currently being occupied by Russian troops back Ukraine/NATO.
What do you call it when you have an alliance that will defend you from the repercussions of your illegal actions, as NATO would have shielded France from any Libyan counterattack?
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Hadn't the Ukraine military been attacking its own cities in the border territories since 2015? Seems like the Ukrainians didn't really want the areas that much to begin with, so why not let those areas be taken by Russia?