• Bloobish [comrade/them]
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      4 months ago

      More and more I feel Batman in quite a few versions is just the DC Punisher going around punching poor and mentally ill people

      • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
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        4 months ago

        Waynetech does huge amounts of charity work, it's just not very interesting in a comic book.

        Gotham also has a literal curse that makes it perpetually dysfunctional. Its cop out comic book bullshit, but Gotham literally cannot be fixed.

        • Black_Mald_Futures [any]
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          4 months ago

          andrew carnegie literally wrote a book about how the point of doing philanthropy is to buy off rubes like you, and yet rubes like you still buy it. Amazing.

          • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
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            4 months ago

            Dude, it's comic books. People fly around in their underpants and shoot lasers from their eyes. The conceit of Batman is that yes, he's nuts, but the Wayne's have always been intense philanthropists. Like, actually "good" billionaires, also very comic books and just as likely in our world as laser eyed underpants flying people.

            The current conceit is that it doesn't matter what you do in Gotham, underwear or hundreds of billions in goodwill. It will consume you and any who exist in its domain.

              • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
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                4 months ago

                The settings conceits shift at a whim, and have done so for 80+ years. They exist, then don't. They all warp and change however is needed by whoever is needed.

                At one point, a dude punches reality. Literally hits reality with his fists.

                Its fine to argue about any art form, but I think the most pertinent critique of comics is that it's art for capital. Any story element or setting is for sale in our world. Taking the inner world at any face value while ignoring that is pointless.

            • Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]
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              4 months ago

              Like, actually "good" billionaires

              Hahaha, no such thing. How did they get their billions? big-honk Where did the billions come from? honk

              • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
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                4 months ago

                The writers pen.

                A batman comic book does not have realistic economic systems. Its all hand-wavy bullshit in-service of Batman flying around doing whatever.

                • Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]
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                  4 months ago

                  Ok. Doesn't sound like great world-building to me. There's a reason I don't like capeshit. But enjoy your crappy stories about a shitty billionaire and the unrealistic impossibly broken city he beats people up in.

        • booty [he/him]
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          4 months ago

          Gotham also has a literal curse that makes it perpetually dysfunctional. Its cop out comic book bullshit, but Gotham literally cannot be fixed.

          I have a serious question, who in universe knows about this? Because if Batman knows the city is irreparably cursed (why is it irreparable btw? There might not be quite as many high fantasy wizards running around as in marvel but there are still some, surely somebody could fix it) and doesn't use his billions to relocate the population somewhere else, then he's still the bad guy. If someone else knows about it and doesn't tell Batman then they're the bad guy.

          • nohaybanda [he/him]
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            4 months ago

            Constantine is DC. There are no excuses. Granted, he's probably more cursed than Gotham (being En*lish and all).

            • Riffraffintheroom [none/use name]
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              4 months ago

              The excuse is that it’s a detective story that’s been running for nearly 90 years and wants to keep running for 90 more.

        • Bloobish [comrade/them]
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          4 months ago

          Within the story yes there's "reasons" but I mean Batman as a literary/art piece commonly has very reactionary elements within it that puts it kinda on a pseudo Punisher level within the reactionary zietgiest, for example The Dark Knight Returns has a lot of critique towards commonly apped "liberal" tropes and the Robin of that universe went to go fight crime with Batman cuss her parents smoke pot.

        • sunshine@lemmy.ml
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          4 months ago

          I read a lot of Batman and I don't know what you're referring to. I'm sure it's established canon, but I feel like a lot of people write Batman that don't consider "a curse on Gotham City" to be part of the mythology that they're contributing to.

        • DeadWorld@lemm.ee
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          4 months ago

          Gotham also has a literal curse that makes it perpetually dysfunctional. Its cop out comic book bullshit, but Gotham literally cannot be fixed.

          Ive always hated this argument. How many master sorcerer's and litteral gods does this man know that could break the curse? Deep down batman knows that Gotham can be fixed, it's just not gonna be him that does it. That kills him

          • Riffraffintheroom [none/use name]
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            4 months ago

            The curse doesn’t get fixed because the story is about Batman solving crimes and if the crimes stop there’s no more story.

            • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
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              4 months ago

              Yup. It's fucking stupid, but it's there to stop people asking about it.

              Fixing Gotham is basically a macguffin that the editors want you to ignore to just enjoy the setting as is.

            • booty [he/him]
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              4 months ago

              That seems like a bad excuse. They completely reboot the series all the time anyway. It's not like concluding a story for once would actually stop them from just coming back next month with the same story again.

              • Riffraffintheroom [none/use name]
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                4 months ago

                Because usually when they reboot it’s very poorly planned and they don’t tell writers far enough in advance. That’s why the New 52 was so confusing with Green Lantern and Batman continuing their pre-reboot storylines while there was a brand new superman, brand new Wonder Woman, etc. If they gave a writer like two years to conclude the story of Batman before a reboot that would be cool, but will never happen because comic book publishing houses are run by petty, nepotistic hacks.

  • fox [comrade/them]
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    4 months ago

    I feel that as climate change and the environment more generally become increasingly pressing issues it's hard to see the plant lady as a villain

  • FALGSConaut [comrade/them]
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    4 months ago

    Critical support to poison ivy only because she's trying to engage with batman in good faith when he's the same kind of planet destroying ghoul as every other billionaire

    If she kills Batman and that other billionaire? Uncritical support, I stan an eco warrior

  • Barx [none/use name]
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    4 months ago

    If you have mind control smells and that billionaire, why kill him? Make him into a class traitor.