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    • Flyberius [comrade/them]
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      4 months ago

      I'm literally a westerner in China and all I can tell you is you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

      It's staggering how propagandised westerners are. That you can look at the history you yourself have lived through and proclaim yourself as free is proof of that.

      It truly is sad.

      • g7s@lemmy.ml
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        4 months ago

        Hey, where do you live? I have friends from Shanghai who would disagree with you. Also, my Chinese wife and their family would disagree.

        But that's fine, plenty of room for different opinions online.

        • Flyberius [comrade/them]
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          4 months ago

          I'm currently in 兴义市。What does your Chinese wife have to say about China? My experience is that Chinese expats who have criticisms of China tend to be from rather wealthy families who have issues with the regulations in China. They move to the west because it's a lot easier to exploit the working class, both in their adopted country, and in the global South.

          I find that their sob stories about lack of freedom revolve around their lack of freedom to do whatever the hell they want. My girlfriend's brother fits into this category. A millionaire crypto bro who thinks China is an authoritarian hellhole because it puts limits on his outrageous and unproductive speculation and ambitions to be a landlord. That's ok though, because he's able to exploit as many Western workers as he likes, stealing their labour value and "providing" them housing by buying it all up and selling it back to them at outrageously inflated prices. What freedom.

          • g7s@lemmy.ml
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            4 months ago

            Ehm.. Exploiting the lower class is easier in China? There is literally a very high youth unemployment rate right now. Why do you think I take my vacation in China? Because taking a cab from Beijing airport to Beijing center costs like 3-4 EUR. Foods cheap, stores are always open, vibrant night life, and all because people are working so much.

            • Flyberius [comrade/them]
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              4 months ago

              Hmm yes, cheap food, and a vibrant night life. Coupled with 90% home ownership. All hallmarks of an oppressed working class.

              I'm sure they're dying to pay £4.50 for a shitty ham sandwich and forking over half their wages every month to a landlord.

              • IzyaKatzmann [he/him]
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                4 months ago

                I think you missed safety as well, huge difference here in the West compared to China

                • Flyberius [comrade/them]
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                  4 months ago

                  Indeed. It's remarkably safe here. According to some people another hallmark of freedom is the freedom to be robbed.

            • cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml
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              4 months ago

              You do understand that if workers are paid less in China but the cost of living is also lower then the level of exploitation isn’t necessarily greater right?

              • Flyberius [comrade/them]
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                4 months ago

                I suspect this account is a sock puppet. Brand new account made of greek letters that immediately wades into a debate about socialism.

                Langley ain't sending their best.

                • g7s@lemmy.ml
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                  4 months ago

                  We can exchange numbers and have facetime, so I can destroy your illusion :)

                  • Flyberius [comrade/them]
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                    4 months ago

                    You can do it here with your words you weird little freak. I'm not sure what doxxing myself will do to enhance your argument other than give you an avenue to harass me.

                  • g7s@lemmy.ml
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                    4 months ago

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                    Add me on session and we can educate each other. I am more of a talking guy than texting anyway.

              • g7s@lemmy.ml
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                4 months ago

                You do understand that many people work more than 40h a week, because they have to?

                • cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml
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                  4 months ago

                  Don’t just ignore my questions. It’s relevant to the conversation and your perceptions of China.

                  I’m aware that work hours are long in China. I don’t think that’s a good thing. However, it’s not unique if you take into account China’s level of development.

                  https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-working-hours-vs-gdp-per-capita-pwt

                  It’s also not as if western countries like the US are great either. Full time workers in the US work more than 40 hours during a standard work week.

                  https://www.bls.gov/charts/american-time-use/activity-by-work.htm

                  All in all, the fact remains that for most Chinese people, quality of life has improved significantly within a very short time span. It’s likely why most Chinese people believe their government is democratic because they believe it’s acting in their interests to improve their lives.

                    • cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml
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                      4 months ago

                      Those damn retirees probably get a full pension too! Don’t they know it would be much better for the economy if they had a 401k instead?! That way they could lose it by random chance every 15-20 years and work as a Walmart greeter until they die like the invisible hand intended!

                      Jokes aside, that explains why whenever I go to China there’s always lots of older people hanging out in public parks having a great time. I just hope that can be me one day.

    • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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      4 months ago

      Poor people living there… Being fed lies from their media, and basically being rejected the access to true freedom, like in the "western world"

      How do we know that's true?

    • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      4 months ago

      🤦‍♂️

      A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink.

      "I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says.

      "Thank you," the KGB says. "We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them."

      The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America."

      • https://lemmy.ml/post/17665401/12094932
      • https://lemmy.ml/post/15599757/11010014
    • CascadeOfLight [he/him]
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      4 months ago
      Cope,

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      about it you ignorant racist imperial peon.

      Chinese people feel both that their country is more democratic, and that democracy is more important than USians do.

      And they're right

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      Because in the US, the average person's support for a policy has NO EFFECT on how likely it is to be passed, whereas the opinions of the ultra-wealthy are basically already law.

      • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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        4 months ago

        A lot of people are saying…

        [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy

        The US is dominated by a rich and powerful elite.

        So concludes a recent study, external by Princeton University Prof Martin Gilens and Northwestern University Prof Benjamin I Page.

        This is not news, you say.

        Perhaps, but the two professors have conducted exhaustive research to try to present data-driven support for this conclusion. Here's how they explain it:

        Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

        In English: the wealthy few move policy, while the average American has little power.

      • g7s@lemmy.ml
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        4 months ago

        Oh… My wife is Chinese, she agrees with me. My child is half Chinese.. So, all I am saying is, that there are Chinese who believe differently. Mostly the ones, who have seen the outside world.

        Maybe you should grow up :)