addressing the second part, Italian lady’s coach/corner guy was respectful. said Khelif is a tough matchup but beatable, they were hoping for an easier fight at this stage but had bad luck, and was surprised Carini conceded. he also mentions that the two have trained together in the past and Carini has a particular dislike for Khelif.
Carini hasn’t said anything explicitly transphobic and uses correct pronouns, but there are red flags. she says that she does fight men in the ring but she’s never been hit so hard before. she was asked if she thinks the fight was fair and responds ‘that’s for the IOC to decide’. when asked about what people are saying online about Khelif, she just says she doesn’t want to get involved.
saying that Khelif hits harder than the cis men she’s fought before, Carini seems like despite using the right pronouns and not outwardly dragging Khelif, that she’s trying to make a case for excluding some women from sports for having an unfair advantage.
She never once acknowledges that Khelif won fairly, or denounces the mask off bigots calling Khelif a man. At best she’s a spineless sore loser willing to be used as a tool for the worst people imaginable to beat trans and intersex people with.
it’s early and possible that this is a result of being hypercompetitive and still griefstricken and processing getting knocked out after getting so close. seems unlikely but would be great to see some pushback from her against what’s happening.
you are right it’s worth noting for those who don’t know that the POC is a cis woman with a genetic condition that comes with slightly higher testosterone levels
(which is a little funny since ‘testosterone’ looks like it should be pronounced like an Italian pasta dish)
but Olympic-level athletes are lousy with genetic advantages and the existing gates in place actually work well
I'm on the fence. She's said she's not interested in the controversies and sounds ok. It's cowardly maybe but I can forgive not wanting to say one thing either way because you get hated by one side or the other. She's trying to avoid receiving any hate by disinvolving herself.
She later explained that she had decided not to fight after feeling intense pain in her nose. "For me, it's not a defeat. For me, when you climb those ropes, you're already a warrior, you're already a winner," the 25-year-old Carini said. "Regardless of everything it's okay, fine like this. I didn't lose tonight ... I only did my job as a fighter. I got in the ring and I fought. I didn't make it. I'm coming out with my head held high and with a broken heart. "I'm a mature woman. The ring is my life. I've always been very instinctive. And when I feel that something isn't right, it's not giving up. It's having the maturity to stop. It's having the maturity to say, 'OK, that's enough'."
Despite her elimination at the hands of Khelif, Carini said she did not harbour any ill feeling towards the Algerian. "I wish her to carry on until the end and that she can be happy. I am someone who doesn't judge anyone. I am not here to give judgements," Carini said.
"So, with regard to all the controversies, I was never interested."
the italian article is referenced but tried to find it and can’t get around a paywall
first saw it here:
https://boxing-social.com/news/angela-carini-says-she-wants-to-apologise-to-imane-khelif-over-womens-olympic-boxing-match/
for some reason the bbc article ends with ‘the IBA president who lied about Khelif having XY chromosomes is now offering her 100,000 currency if she wins a gold medal’ and DOESN’T EXPLAIN WHY it’s driving me nuts this whole situation is wild
https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/c2j3jg51rg4o
I personally don't follow boxing, but I saw someone mention that it's apparently pretty common for fighters to tap out when getting their nose hurt bad because it's so distracting you've basically already lost. You just end up doing nothing but guard your face if you go on.
addressing the second part, Italian lady’s coach/corner guy was respectful. said Khelif is a tough matchup but beatable, they were hoping for an easier fight at this stage but had bad luck, and was surprised Carini conceded. he also mentions that the two have trained together in the past and Carini has a particular dislike for Khelif.
Carini hasn’t said anything explicitly transphobic and uses correct pronouns, but there are red flags. she says that she does fight men in the ring but she’s never been hit so hard before. she was asked if she thinks the fight was fair and responds ‘that’s for the IOC to decide’. when asked about what people are saying online about Khelif, she just says she doesn’t want to get involved.
saying that Khelif hits harder than the cis men she’s fought before, Carini seems like despite using the right pronouns and not outwardly dragging Khelif, that she’s trying to make a case for excluding some women from sports for having an unfair advantage.
She never once acknowledges that Khelif won fairly, or denounces the mask off bigots calling Khelif a man. At best she’s a spineless sore loser willing to be used as a tool for the worst people imaginable to beat trans and intersex people with.
https://www.fanpage.it/sport/altri-sport/angela-carini-dice-cosa-e-successo-con-imane-khelif-troppo-dolore-ma-non-sono-nessuno-per-giudicare/
https://farside.link/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgZcAGXDIeY
it’s early and possible that this is a result of being hypercompetitive and still griefstricken and processing getting knocked out after getting so close. seems unlikely but would be great to see some pushback from her against what’s happening.
It's worth noting that she's not even trans. She's AFAB. So a bunch of idiots are just transvestigating a cis women.
that and being racist, yes
you are right it’s worth noting for those who don’t know that the POC is a cis woman with a genetic condition that comes with slightly higher testosterone levels
(which is a little funny since ‘testosterone’ looks like it should be pronounced like an Italian pasta dish)
but Olympic-level athletes are lousy with genetic advantages and the existing gates in place actually work well
Lmao test-stas-ta-roné! Est-ero-gína!
Yeah, that's like demanding we don't let people over 6ft play basketball. Sports are inherently unfair.
I'm on the fence. She's said she's not interested in the controversies and sounds ok. It's cowardly maybe but I can forgive not wanting to say one thing either way because you get hated by one side or the other. She's trying to avoid receiving any hate by disinvolving herself.
https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/boxing-italys-carini-says-she-can-hold-her-head-high-after-fight-against-khelif-2024-08-01/
she apologised for how badly she behaved and is supporting Khelif now, in spite of being italian and a cop, critical support
Have a source? Not that I don't believe you but because I will be asked for one when I spread.
the italian article is referenced but tried to find it and can’t get around a paywall
first saw it here:
https://boxing-social.com/news/angela-carini-says-she-wants-to-apologise-to-imane-khelif-over-womens-olympic-boxing-match/
for some reason the bbc article ends with ‘the IBA president who lied about Khelif having XY chromosomes is now offering her 100,000 currency if she wins a gold medal’ and DOESN’T EXPLAIN WHY it’s driving me nuts this whole situation is wild
https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/c2j3jg51rg4o
I personally don't follow boxing, but I saw someone mention that it's apparently pretty common for fighters to tap out when getting their nose hurt bad because it's so distracting you've basically already lost. You just end up doing nothing but guard your face if you go on.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: