• Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 months ago

    See what happens when you actually do shit instead of this pRaGmAtIC half assed neoliberal drop and done bullshit Green New Deal?

    • MaoTheLawn [any, any]
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      3 months ago

      London has done pretty well at this to be fair. 60% electric, hybrid, or hydrogen. Aims for full fleet of NEV's by 2030-2034, as a realistic goal. When you consider how much better China's economy is doing than Britain's, its actually quite a good look for London. Of course, if all of London's wanker bankers were forced to put money in it could be done by tomorrow.

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    3 months ago

    Does this basically catch up with what London already did? Or is it a further advancement beyond it?

    https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/improving-buses

    I'm not strictly clear on what a "New Energy Vehicle" (NEV) is in China's lingo, and whether it refers to low emissions or ZERO emissions vehicles, which are quite different things. Both are good obviously but understanding which is which is pretty necessary to compare with good efforts occurring in other cities.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        3 months ago

        So the term NEV always applies to zero emissions vehicles?

        I'm just trying to work out what the comparable terms are across countries because obviously we're all using different terms in different country initiatives and working out specifically what those terms mean is essential to comparing them.

        I'm not just asking others to do my work for me, I can't really find specifics on this, probably need to search in chinese language to get into the details.

      • StalinStan [none/use name]
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        3 months ago

        Is hydrogen viable? Last I heard the reactivity of hydrogen made it difficult to use at scale. I remember there was some talk about using ammonia as a more stable form but I had heard that had efficency problems

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
          hexagon
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          3 months ago

          It looks like China's been using hydrogen cells in buses for a while now. I haven't looked at the details of the specific approach they use though.

          • StalinStan [none/use name]
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            3 months ago

            I remember we were big on hydrogen for a while but I rember it was hard to store and and that made it expensive. Probbaly china just went through the process of actually investing in infrastructure which we would never do

            • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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              3 months ago

              I wouldn’t be surprised if busses are one of the use cases where it makes more sense. Like, leaks matter less in a vehicle that spends little to no time sitting around.