• cosecantphi [he/him, they/them]
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    4 months ago

    At what point did this become Russia's aggression? Certainly after the fall of the Soviet Union by western backed coup (before which Ukraine and Russia were literally the same country). Did Russia's aggression start when NATO aggressively expanded into the former Eastern bloc after promising not to as a major condition of the USSR's dissolution? How about when Russia subjected its own population to devastating austerity, resulting in untold death and destruction, all in a genuine effort to liberalize and assimilate into NATO themselves? Was that Russia being too aggressive? Or did Russia's aggression not start until after the west continued to wage economic warfare anyway, demonstrating NATO never had any intention to let Russia coexist peacefully on the world stage regardless? How aggressive was it of Russia when the west helped to orchestrate the 2014 Maidan coup in Ukraine to install a rabidly anti-Russian fascist government on one of Russia's largest land borders? I guess Russia was being too aggressive when Ukraine decided to ban the Russian language and shell Russian speaking civilians in Eastern Ukraine for literally years and years in violation of the Minsk agreements, resulting in massive pro-Russian separatist movements forming to fight off Banderite pogroms.

    I think I get it now, after exhausting literally all available diplomatic avenues to peace, aggressive Russia started this conflict out of nowhere by supporting the cause of the breakaway republics invading poor innocent Ukraine, wow can't believe a country would go to war like this at the drop of a hat! Irrational aggressive Russia should just take their troops home and surrender all territory back to Ukraine, a country losing a war so badly it's on the verge of collapse.

    • blarth@thelemmy.club
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      4 months ago

      By your logic, I guess it’s time to eradicate the Jewish population from Israel and hand it back to Palestine, and hey, why not go back even further? Americans should be forced to move back to their countries of origin and hand all lands back to native Americans. Where does this logic lead to? Are you really advocating for wars to break out all over the world over historical deeds? Ukraine has been independent for a very long time. Why did Russia suddenly decide it’s their territory again? Is it about the territory or the supposed Nazis? Can you pro Russia propagandists make up your minds about what exactly the reason for the invasion is?

      • cosecantphi [he/him, they/them]
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        4 months ago

        I'm sorry but your reply is literally incoherent, and I'm not sure what if anything in my comment caused your brain wormed mind to react like this.

        • blarth@thelemmy.club
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          4 months ago

          Great response, I guess challenging your bullshit propaganda simply results in a shut down. Or, maybe, simply speaking in a colloquial western way is too challenging for Russian propagandists?

            • cosecantphi [he/him, they/them]
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              4 months ago

              Ukraine hasn't even been independent for my entire life, what are you talking about? Do you think thirty years is a long time? Are you twelve?

              This is the thing that gets me with lemmy libs at times. I want to dunk on them harder, but some of them are so naive and ignorant about basic facts of recent history that in the back of my mind I can't help but think I'm probably talking to an actual, literal child. Then I just feel saddened about it more than anything.

                • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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                  4 months ago

                  No revolutionary potential to be found in hyper-online west wing watchers. But the 2020 uprisings clearly show there's still a difference between online and the real world

          • UlyssesT
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            2 months ago

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      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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        4 months ago

        Oh cool, genocidal zionist talking points too! Hey if you're gonna embrace fascism may I suggest you skip to the end part?