The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda - The Hill
America’s Collusion With Neo-Nazis. Neo-fascists play an important official or tolerated role in US-backed Ukraine. - The Nation
Neo-Nazi threat in new Ukraine: NEWSNIGHT - BBC
Inside A White Supremacist Militia in Ukraine - Time
The Evolution of the Far Right in Ukraine Pg 34 - Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, United States Military Academy (USMA)
So wait in your view should there just be no intervention and russia takes Ukraine? Y'all are answering in such short glib answers like I should know your views and I'm an idiot. I see that I clearly don't see...
You're not really pro Russia here's are you? I mean sure it was red scare and such but it's definitely a far right govt no question about that.
This situation goes back to 2014. Also the Ukrainian government killed 14,000 citizens in the Donbass prior to 2022.
What is your understanding of the war? I'm asking in good faith.
Source?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014%E2%80%932022)
It's on Wikipedia even. Plus there are sources discussing this above. I expect you won't respond to this.
Why wouldn't I respond?
Your source says that Russia was the aggressor, and it absolutely does not say that Ukraine killed 14000 civilians.
What do you think a civil war is?
Edit: what I said was definitely oversimplified, but many people seem to think this situation just started in 2022.
A civil war instigated by a global power is the thing we rightfully call USA evil for doing.
Why is there a segment of online commies who are being so fucking weird about this?
Do you acknowledge that the Russian state sucks ass and that Putin should jump off a building?
Why are you coming to us and trying to tell us what to think? Your worldview is no different than the US state department, yet you're smug about it.
The vast majority of the global south shares our position. You're not as informed as you think you are. In a few months you'll be cheerleading an intervention in West Africa to 'stop autocracy'.
Be gone, lib.
Ah yes, my world view that USA is the greatest threat to every man, woman, and child on planet is exactly the same as the US state department. You've got me pegged, my dude.
You're obviously not interested in an honest conversation, so have fun with whatever culty rabbit hole you've fallen into.
Communists who share the same world view based on a 200 year long intellectual body of knowledge agreeing on situation in Ukraine = culty rabbit hole
You, who's opinion lines up with the US State Department = the one true leftist
Are you saying all True Communists agree with lemmygrad's take on this?
Repeat "US State Department" three more times and I legally have to admit that I'm CIA.
I don't really care about "True Communists." I care about actually existing communists.
I wouldn't be suprised if your ideas on AES line up with the state department too, and not because i or anyone thinks you're in the CIA
I don't want to be mean, but that's very unintentionally funny (presumedly. You don't seem like the joking type).
Are you American?
It is a joke. Both of my comments have been jokes mocking you. But obviously, I'm not the joking type, unlike you who is a laugh riot
You're doing that thing where you're implying I'm bad at something I haven't even claimed to be trying. It's incredibly low tier bullying. Please do better.
What are you even trying to do in this thread? Because all you're succeding at is being an aggreived nerd.
You're telling people we don't understand what your positions are. You're saying im "doing a thing" based on something youre not doing. If we're so wrong about your intentions just say what they are. What is your position?
You've added nothing to this conversation, despite what you think.
You're the clown ass who keeps saying 'source' to things that have been sourced here numerous times. You've provided no sources to counter our claims.
Is this what you think a productive conversation is? Smugly talking down to those you disagree with while providing no evidence, then accuse them of not wanting to have a conversation?
We tried to engage with you and this is what you responded with. This is the behavior of every lib who has come on here recently.
Are you a mind reader?
So when people make wild claims that contradict every news source available to me should I just accept it uncritically or I'm a lib?
Sourced where? Am I supposed to just magically know?
You essentially called me a US puppet and worse a lib, so maybe get off your pedestal.
I was fine with your Wikipedia source, but apparently you decided that was bad or something.
I tried to engage with you and was called a lib, lib.
I don't even know your positions, you didn't state any.
So why did you immediately decide that I believe everything put out by the US State Department, just because I expressed the mildest exasperation at the lemmygrad discourse?
Besides, I've been very clear on USA bad, so you know that much.
I apologize for being harsh, but we have been brigaded by many people who do come and argue in bad faith.
However, simply replying 'source' to things that are sourced within this post is going to make me think you're arguing in bad faith.
What is your understanding and position on this conflict? I am asking in earnest.
My position is that Russian troops marching into Ukraine and bombing Ukrainian cities constitutes an invasion and that Ukrainians obviously have an indisputable right to defend their homes.
History didn't start in 2022, but the invasion is a very clear escalation that is killing thousands of people. It's fucking inexcusable.
Putin is a psychopath billionaire who should go jump off a building. I hope that isn't controversial.
Source?
https://www.biblegateway.com/
Everyone knows the entire universe (that includes everything in it like your fake “memories”) was created on 24 February 2022 at 05:30 Moscow time as a setting for the reality TV program “The Ukraine Show”
So you do have the same postion as the US State Department, just like we've said
People are dying. Could you at least pretend to care?
Fucking shitlib Anericans, I swear...
We do care. Thats why we want the war to end. We are against US/NATO who have kept Ukraine from negotiating peace with the Russian Federation. We want the people of the Donbas to leave Ukraine and join the Russian Federation like they've voted for, so they won't be killed by Azov Nazis like they have been for the last 8 years.
You don't get to claim territory militarily. It doesn't fucking matter if people voted (and since when do you guys care about electoralism anyway?)
You're seriously taking Putin's justification for the war at face value? I know I shouldn't expect much from Americans, but holy fucking shit. Let's say it again for the dumb fucks in the room: Putin is a self-serving bastard. Nothing he says can be trusted. He's not pursuing some noble goal of pushing back NATO, or whatever stupid shit you believe.
Ukraine is a sovereign nation and can negotiate peace whenever they want, but they're not going to accept giving up territory that was taken militarily, because it sets a really fucking bad precedent. Every single state in the world would do exactly the same, including Russia incidentally. If Russia had a region with an ethnic Ukrainian majority do you think they would accept losing that territory? Get the fuck outta here.
What do you think is the best way for the conflict to end?
For evil Putler to give Ukraine back their territory, and balkanize Russia, and then off himself on live TV.
Lol, ur a lib
😂
Ideally? A successful socialist revolution that spreads to the rest of Europe and USA collapses as a bonus.
This is a childlike worldview. Ukraine has almost already lost the war. Do you really want them to literally fight to the last Ukrainian?
Also Putin is just one person. What about the rest of the material conditions?
I'm not stating an opinion about what should happen. I'm stating the undeniable fact that states don't surrender territory easily. As we are in fact seeing. The point is that saying Ukraine should surrender is just as pointless as saying Russia should immediately withdraw from all occupied territory. Neither is going to happen.
In practical terms I oppose my own country dumping weapons into Ukraine, because that's an absolute cluster fuck waiting to happen, and it's the only thing I even remotely have any influence over.
The material conditions of young men getting slaughtered by the thousands? Snark aside, feel free to bring up another topic for discussion, but you'll have to be a bit more specific.
The USA has sabotaged multiple peace talks. I don't remember specifics at the moment. This situation is not as black and white as Putler bad and he wanted to snatch up land.
Lmao what are these playground rules? Do you think there's an adult to run to, that decides what you "get" to do and what you don't? Everything is enforced by violence or the threat of it, what "gets" to happen is ultimately a question of who can enforce their will.
Historically you do actually "get" to take territory that you've conquered, it happens all the time.
The material reality is that these areas are already claimed.
No. I looked into it and when I saw the many Nazis in Ukraine and the repeated breaches of Minsk II as well as the rampant encroaches by NATO, despite previous agreements, I took it to be somewhat understandable.
Are you just taking what your media is telling you at face value? Putin isn't the only one with an agenda, I sure do hope you remain skeptic when the same people that pushed "the ghost of Kiev" stories push other untruths meant to further an already lost war.
As opposed to all the other leaders that are just uwu smol bean good guys lmao
start employing the same level of skepticism against your "own" team, and you might be a little less dumb.
Not according to NATO, that sent Boris Johnson to sabotage negotiations
Except for all the times they didn't incidentally. Most states aren't willing to pointlessly murder all their people, most states try to find a solution before war breaks out and then seek a rapid end to said war - See for example the Azerbaijan conflict, or even the border conflict between Imdia and china where they refrain from using firearms. Alternatively Italy in WWII.
The last state I can think of that threw everybody into a meat grinder for no reason was checks notes Nazi Germany with the volksturm. (And before you go "well the USSR" please recall that the Nazis planned to murder all the slavs with their generalplan ost, so the only choice was to fight)
Alright I no longer feel bad for being harsh. Shitlib? That's you, dawg.
BurgerPunk stated that they're just here to mock me, so I'm responding in kind.
Getting offended on their behalf over cth-tier banter is pretty silly.
I'm not actually offended, I just think you're annoying.
I can respect that.
Alright my bad, I misunderstood. Being called a lib is deeply offensive to me and my people.
Obama's goons overthrew Ukraine's democracy with their Nazi coup. And Russia is the aggressor?
Where do you get your information from? The news?
Source?
Look up the presidency of Obama. The Nazi coup happened under his tenure.
Look up the entire presidency of Obama... right... because he did only like a thing or two.
Like breaking records of drone killings and double tap executions.
Yes... which is not relevant to Ukraine.
Russia should take the eastern regions that voted in one referendum to secede from Ukraine and in another referendum to join Russia, and which also voted repeatedly for political parties within Ukraine that sought to protect their cultural rights only to see those parties repeatedly banned by Kyiv and then saw shelling of their cities by the Ukrainian national guard and affiliated Nazi militias.
What right does Ukraine have to impose its rule on the people in the east who don’t want to be part of Ukraine anymore?
Why don’t you people respect the views of the people who live there in the east?