Uh, that's how war works. I wish libs would fucking figuring this out already. If one country dominates another, the losing country makes concessions for peace. That's how it works. That's how it has always worked. This mind virus that peace means total subjugation of Russia or completely annulling Russia's position on the matter is just completely disassociated from all of human reality.
Subjugation of Russia!? It's just restoring the original territory nobody is asking Russia to give part of his territory.
And I wouldn't call what has Russian have done until now a domination....
I see now based on the other comments that the people of Crimea might have wanted to be Russian and we could see about that, that makes sense. Of course I feel this needs a proper polling with a somehow neutral third party as observer to make sure nobody is forcing nobody to vote in one direction or the other.
My god. Have you ever studied war? What you're describing is not war. Do you know what happened when the US defeated Japan in war? Japan asked for some way to manage their internal affairs more appropriately for their culture and the US fucking nuked hundreds of thousands of civilians. War negotiations are not things that are subject to 3rd party neutral polling (as though such a thing even exists), they are ways to end conflict by giving the aggressor concessions in exchange for stopping their aggression.
I wasn't talking about waw I was talking about the Crimea situation independent of war. The war isn't about Crimea right now, that's is clear, it's part of it but not the main focus. I was specifically about how to solve in a way that everybody agrees on the results on the decision for the people from Crimea of which country they want to be part from.
Uh, that's how war works. I wish libs would fucking figuring this out already. If one country dominates another, the losing country makes concessions for peace. That's how it works. That's how it has always worked. This mind virus that peace means total subjugation of Russia or completely annulling Russia's position on the matter is just completely disassociated from all of human reality.
Subjugation of Russia!? It's just restoring the original territory nobody is asking Russia to give part of his territory. And I wouldn't call what has Russian have done until now a domination....
I see now based on the other comments that the people of Crimea might have wanted to be Russian and we could see about that, that makes sense. Of course I feel this needs a proper polling with a somehow neutral third party as observer to make sure nobody is forcing nobody to vote in one direction or the other.
My god. Have you ever studied war? What you're describing is not war. Do you know what happened when the US defeated Japan in war? Japan asked for some way to manage their internal affairs more appropriately for their culture and the US fucking nuked hundreds of thousands of civilians. War negotiations are not things that are subject to 3rd party neutral polling (as though such a thing even exists), they are ways to end conflict by giving the aggressor concessions in exchange for stopping their aggression.
I wasn't talking about waw I was talking about the Crimea situation independent of war. The war isn't about Crimea right now, that's is clear, it's part of it but not the main focus. I was specifically about how to solve in a way that everybody agrees on the results on the decision for the people from Crimea of which country they want to be part from.
It’s either that or Russia keeping far more. Why would the winner in a war agree to hand over territory and not the country that lost?
That situation doesn't happen. If there is a winner there is no peace talks, no agreement needed.
In any case we are not in that situation right now.