'Non balneabile': What are the face covering bans across Europe?
www.euronews.com
A group of Muslim women wearing modest beach wear were harassed by a group of women in northern Italy claiming that they can’t go in the water with their clothing.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/1476531

Archived version: https://archive.ph/r4ZKz
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230815100118/https://www.euronews.com/culture/2023/08/14/muslim-women-harassed-at-northern-italian-beach-for-wearing-modest-clothing

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I think a person should be able to wear whatever they want, fundamentally, but I’m confident that many of these women didn’t choose to cover up their whole life.

      Why don't you go talk to some Muslim women and actually seek their opinions on these things instead of just assuming what they want?

      As more people come into the west seeking something better, they need to abandon some of their culture that is retrogressive. Burkas as retrogressive.

      No, actually. If they've had to come to the West because the West keeps bombing the shit out of their homes, they owe the West jack shit. Whether or not the Islamic community wants to change some of its cultural practices to adapt to the West is for Muslims to decide and Muslims only.

      This is just sexpat white saviorism 101 wrapped up with progressive language.

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          "The exact same conclusion as Islamophobic chuds, except I'm being feminist. Trust me."

          • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
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            1 year ago

            It's possible to be right for the wrong reasons. Don't let what "chuds" think define your moral code.

            • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Chuds, like broken clocks, are occasionally correct. The key is that if you think you're looking at a broken clock, you need to check that the clock is working.

              We do that by looking at how we got to that conclusion that resembles a chud conclusion and examining the differences between our conclusion and theirs as well.

              In this case, the user I was replying to clearly had not talked to many (or any) Muslim women and is simply assuming that women don't like Islamic clothing because it looks uncomfortable. By that same reasoning, we should also ban neckties and high heels.

              If the user got to the same conclusion as the chuds using such poor reasoning, I think it's valid to point out that they might be chud adjacent.

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Most of the West by land area is built upon the graveyard of peoples slaughtered for their land and on the backs of people enslaved for their labor, but yeah that's just "some bad shit".

          How about you Westoids deal with your own litany of unspeakable crimes against humanity by giving back your stolen lands and paying full restitution to the surviving descendants of your victims before you get on your high horse about how the Islamic world you've continuously bombed for the last two decades isn't "progressive" enough.

          Maybe people wouldn't have to flee their homes and bring their "dumb shit" with them if you didn't keep blowing their shit up.

            • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Ahh I see. So genocide is a-okay as long as the victims weren't densely populated and didn't think of land in line with the European sense of ownership.

              Really, if they didn't want to be brutally murdered, there should have been more of them and they should have created bits of paper saying who owned what land.

              Makes sense.

    • lukzak@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      I know it's just an anecdote, but I've know quite a few Muslim women that prefer to wear it. I've also met many who don't like to wear them. Is it really fair to ban it for the ones that actually choose to wear it?

      Women choosing to dress conservatively isn't exactly something foreign to Italians. Let's not forget that nuns also wear very similar clothing and cover their hair. That's not so different from a hijab.

      • kristina [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        hijabs are cute ngl, people are dumb

        plus it gives you a great excuse to avoid washing your hair for a day or two while still looking snazzy

        • RedQuestionAsker2 [he/him, she/her]
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          1 year ago

          We're all subject the cultural norms of the society that we live in. Particularly with religious norms, maintaining them can be coercive.

          But that doesn't mean that burkas, in and of themselves, are regressive.

          Shouldn't the goal be to create a space that is free of coercion so people can actually choose to wear it if they want to? Outright banning them is just enforcing a different cultural norm.

    • mar_k [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Ah yes, we should liberate women by restricting their freedom to wear what they want to wear smuglord the western white knight is here to let Muslim women know they don't know what they're doing because they're small-minded and brainwashed

      Also, weird how you bring up burqas under an article that doesn't mention burqas. And you make it sound like only far-leftists are against a burqa ban when most liberals/moderates tend to be too.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        High heels are actively and permanently injurious to the bodies of women in a way hijabs and burkas aren't. I never see these "feminists" argue for the banning of high heels.

        I wonder why nasser-ponder