Ayo I'm in the screenshot letsa fucking GOOOOOOOOOO-
For context, Bungiefan_ak has no fewer than 4 alts that I've seen (all on different instances with the same username) and has spent his time on !memes@lemmy.ml continuously spamming heavily transphobic, homophobic, and objectifying sexist "memes". Just about every one of his alts is now banned but I'm sure more will pop up.
Now, why the fuck he cares so much about pirates at this point, I haven't a clue....
Maybe he just likes to argue with people. I have 1 such classmate. His "opinions" are always just opposite to who he's talking with. But apparently outside of school he's normal.
I love arguing with people, I'll even argue points I don't necessarily believe, but that's not the same as trolling. The difference is doing it in good faith
Trolls aren't trying to convince anyone or engage in debate, they're in it to russle jimmies, own the libs, or whatever. There's not really an intellectual aspect to it, it's arguing on emotion
Probably because one of his alts was on dbzer0 and was banned for transphobia
Oh. Oh that makes so much more sense. His sad little idea of vengeance is to now attack anything piracy related and get dbzero ostracized from LW just because pirates have more morals than he does lol
Out of curiosity, just someone not supporting trans people or lgbtq are getting banned or they are taking asshole behaviour and spewing hate speech?
Edit: good fucking world. I am not against lgbtq. I am supporting it. I am a bi curious guy. I am all in for their civil rights. I was asking a question about why that guy was banned. For asshole behaviour or just having a different opinion. I don't believe just for telling someone doesn't care about lgbtq is not a reason for ban.
is "not supporting someone" your newspeak for being asshole? because i am pretty sure that any group of people doesn't give a flying fuck about you or anyone else not "supporting them", just let them be and they will be happy.
My experience is that when someone discovered they need certain civil rights but don't have them, often staring down thr barrels of police service pistols, then yes, they give all the flying fucks in the universe about being supported.
This is one of those reasons that Leopards Ate My Face is a known trope and community. Sadly, the ones who empathize already have their share of leopard teeth marked scars.
Given I and many people I know are not going to survive genocide in the US, if ever it goes full post-Wannsee, I have little patience for anyone who does not stand at least against the transnational white power movement (aka the white Christian nationalist movement). That includes even conservatives who wish the GOP would less extreme like in the Nixon and Reagan years. That train was always going to inevitably lead to the political crisis in the US, today.
you missed my point and you wrote three angry paragraphs about it, good for you! 🤣
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My experience is that
my experience is that when someone tries to put inequality sign between being an asshole and "not supporting them", he is trying to make an excuse for being an asshole.
what do you even mean by "supporting them"? do you bring them food and your old clothes every sunday or something? how do you express on the internet that you "don't support" someone/something?
when i am indifferent to a topic, whatever that topic is, i don't feel the need to go on the internet and express that indifference. when i talk about something, it is either because i am for or against it. so when you are being called for being an asshole, you weren't just "not supporting them", whoever them is in the context, you were probably an asshole and now you are trying to mask it.
(to prevent further confusion - i am aware you are not the person i originally replied to, so any "you" in this text is just a figure of speech)
Well, there's a pretty wide spectrum in "not supporting". Can range between "cool bro, not my thing but you do you just leave me out of it", which is a rational albeit reserved response.... or you could be like Bungiefan, who spams memes calling transgender people pedophiles (multiple times).
For context, Bungiefan_ak has no fewer than 4 alts that I've seen (all on different instances with the same username)
I mean, this is one of the benefits of the lemmyverse - using the same username across different instances. It's not subversive.
That's not to lend a defence of this guy - just didn't want having Lemmy alts presented as a bad thing.
Having Lemmy alts is not a bad thing. Using them to circumvent bans very much is, tho.
At least he makes them super easy to find by reusing the identical name lol
that guy is the most succesfull troll in history. he single-handedly created havoc that big that russian trollfarm wouldn't have to be ashamed for and you continue to give him audience. just ban him and move on.
Hexbear is one of the oldest lemmy instances, but only recently started federating.
Are you suggesting that for the last 3+ years, someone was running a troll farm where the trolls could only talk to each other?
Oh, sorry then, I must have misunderstood.
Since federation, a lot of libs who've never encountered a leftist opinion have been calling us russian or chinese bots for not supporting the latest imperialist adventures.
don't take me wrong, i am pretty sure i am not in the same boat with comrade who thinks that "not supporting the latest imperialist adventures" is some clever newspeak, but your comment was first time i have heard about "hexbear" - whatever that is.
clever newspeak
If that's what you want to call it. I was just using the old-timey term to contextualize US actions in Ukraine/China/Iran/DPRK/Niger among the hundred other wars waged for the same purpose over the last couple centuries.
How do you people find these alts. I scroll by, like or don't, but I have no idea if they are related.
Do you guys have a 7th sense or something?
And yet you just yeeted all this attention to the troll, so congrats. You got played.
letsa fucking GOOOOOOOOOO-
I wasnt the one who chose to repost the screenshot, I just call trolls as I see them
Corporations when some dude steals a copy of a 30 year old movie: 😡
Corporations when they steal billions from their workers salaries every year: 🤑
Does anybody have the greentext that goes something like
Pirate game
Company loses $60 because it's theft
Company regains $60 after deleting game from hard drive
Pirate one million copies, company bankrupt from massive theft
Buy insolvent company for cheap
Delete all game copies, company profitable again
I love that, it's almost like how banks make money with loans: create money out of thin air, lend it, profit.
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The companies don't need plebs to protect them. If anyone should be willing to lay their body for them it's their shareholders.
Lmao this is the guy that first lead to them banning the communities right?
Love that lemmy.world seems to be making their moderation strategy based off of a troll with at least 4 alts....
Made them show their true face and flaws. Who knows, maybe the troll is even someone from their staff on an alt.
He didn't fool anyone, he just seems to have caught them acting like hypocrites and made them either put up or shut up. If you want to enforce rules, you need to actually enforce the rules. If discussions of illegal things is against the rules that you made, then clearly an entire community built around illegal piracy is against the rules. Him pointing that out is a big-brain move that you would hope the admins would have gone "ah you got us. We'll change that rule to not be so restrictive", but instead they went "well shit, we'll remove it instead of changing our stupid rules".
Fooled you, you're literally replying to the same person on an alt.
BungieFan->HaloMasyerChiefDidn't fool me though because it doesn't matter who wrote what I replied to.
Piracy of software is always moral in the face of proprietary software.
They have stolen so much from us that we have all right to revolt.
Intellectual property is denial of media rights to the public.
Theft is justified in the face of capitalism.
Those who live in precarity, poverty, homlessness or hunger are justified to do whatever violence is required to survive.
Yup. Folks looking for stuff to be salty about. Those admins were protecting their hides and had every right to do so. Hosting carries risks. What could have been handled better was communicating this (a day or three beforehand + not on Discord lmao). The people acting like this is some sort of unforgivable problem are just being dorks. Don't like it? Pop onto a new instance. It's easy and is a perfect example as to why Lemmy is great.
Edit: Worth mentioning that the piracy community is among the most active groups on the entire platform. As a viable alternative to reddit, I don't think piracy being the face of Lemmy is a great look. Newcomers may start on LW and never need or want this community. Those who want it WILL find it.
Huh, wow, someone talking sense on the subject and not getting downvoted to oblivion.
Some instances will be more averse to legal risk than others. Some will also lean more towards "censorship" (showing bigots the door) whilst others will be "free speech encouraged" (full of them). That's the beauty of the fediverse. Pick your poison. Why go all pitchforks and DDOS attacks etc against an instance that doesn't share your values when it's piss easy to just switch to one that does?
(I'm somewhere down the middle on the piracy subject. I believe in supporting small individual developers trying to feed their kids. But Adobe and the like can go fuck themselves)
What a fucking loser crying about intellectual property. Love live piracy and anarchy. Be gay do crime! 🏴 🏴☠️ 🏳️🌈 🏳️⚧️ yo ho ho 🦜 *removed externally hosted image*
its actually amazing how internet culture went from this anarcho-utopianism where information just wants to be free, maaan to reddit style races to the normie bottom. who gives a shit about intellectual property other than bowtie spinning economist dickheads and the beltway lanyard class?
In fairness, I think it's because the tech barrier of entry went down, WAYYY down. "Free Data" is an easy sell to people who were dialing into usenet in the 90's, and us stupid ameteur hackers who would break into systems like they were puzzles because we thought it was cool and the maximum penalty was a fine and community service (the good old days, we all did it at least once and thought we were Zero Cool... unless we thought Zero Cool was lame, whatever). A lot of the people who think IP jives well with the internet were the ones who looked at me weird when I said I had online friends circa 2000, and who couldn't understand how I couldn't make some party because I "had to spend Saturday hanging out on IRC for my D&D campaign"
Even more technical folks now, they just never lived what made the internet beautiful when it was smaller. Back when "FOSS" was "Free as in Beer" and fuck that Richard Stallman with his "free as in speech" bullshit. They don't remember how this dark storm of people's hobbies turning into other people's IP, people like Bill Gates stealing the foundations of technology to build his empire (for all the good he does now, he was truly evil to his core).
Ok, old-fart rant over.
Back when "FOSS" was "Free as in Beer" and fuck that Richard Stallman with his "free as in speech" bullshit
FOSS has always been about "free as in speech", and Stallman has said that it's more ethical to illegally download closed-source software than to pay for it.
FOSS vs. proprietary is tangential to the discussion over filesharing, anyway, because it addresses different issues. FOSS isn't good because it's zero-cost, it's good because it respects user freedoms.
FOSS has always been about “free as in speech”,
If you're being pedantic, then yes, because Stallman coined "Free Software" as a term and that rolled into the acronym "FOSS". If you're talking about what we actually thought, then no.
FOSS vs. proprietary is tangential to the discussion over filesharing, anyway, because it addresses different issues. FOSS isn’t good because it’s zero-cost, it’s good because it respects user freedoms.
From a totally different angle, it's good because it does more to empower innovation and creative expression than IP ever did, yet innovation and creative expression were always the stated goals of IP. Because of that, it's a lot less tengential a discussion than things like filesharing, which also empowers creative expression. Cost-free, unlimited access to art is the best way to get art in the hands of everyone. And that is "free as in Beer".
It's funny, I've never met anybody who'd have that kind of experience and use the word "hacker" in this meaning simultaneously.
A lot of the people who think IP jives well with the internet were the ones who looked at me weird when I said I had online friends circa 2000
This checks out.
Back when “FOSS” was “Free as in Beer” and fuck that Richard Stallman with his “free as in speech” bullshit.
I remember exactly the opposite, people being much more acutely aware of the difference, and Stallman being much more popular than now.
people like Bill Gates stealing the foundations of technology
Clarification? Movies about Steve Jobs excluded.
It’s funny, I’ve never met anybody who’d have that kind of experience and use the word “hacker” in this meaning simultaneously.
I'm slightly too young to use "hacker" the traditional old-MIT way. Maybe only by 2-3 years. I was a stupid kid playing with linux in the mid-90's and I hacked into a stupid municipal dialup BBS and got root, then neither did nor changed anything because it was "cool" to prove I could figure it out. Then "Hackers" came out and I ran that movie on repeat for a few weeks and then moved on to actually learning to code.
I remember exactly the opposite, people being much more acutely aware of the difference, and Stallman being much more popular than now.
There's those of us who were avoiding Redhat for shittier distros (like Slackware back then imo) because we didn't want to buy anyone else's beer for us to contribute for free. Maybe we were fewer than it seemed. I was that ugy giving out Ubuntu Warty CD's having this weird pipe-dream of the tech world all going free-as-in-beer (yeah, I know they're a for-profit. A lot of people didn't get that back then and just saw a better Debian). Maybe again it relates to the exact date?
Clarification? Movies about Steve Jobs excluded.
Mr. Gates started back when "hacker" didn't mean "hacker" (as you point out). He would pick up freely-given tech early on, and was then one of the first to start crying IP complaints and asserting his ownership of his product. Wherever you stand on the opinion, Gates' Open Letter to Hobbyists started his really terrible reputation, since many hobbyests accurately alleged he built his business on tech they were using/granting for free. I never knew the facts of the 1977 BASIC case where he was sued over ownership of BASIC and won, but then in the 80's he notoriously started his attitude of embrace, extend, extinguish. Everything from his behavior related to DOS, his ripping off Lotus Notes, etc. One could simply say "he was a good businessman" and they're allowed to feel that way. If you say "hey, you can have as much of my water as you want for free" and I drain your lake so you have to buy water back from me, technically what I'm doing is legal. That's basically what many people felt Gates did.
EDIT: And I don't have good references, but I remember some quotes from him as his reputation got bad, that the hobbyists shouldn't have been giving software out for free anyway. That the real problem was that they should have been demanding money for their work and/or keeping their ownership. One could argue his behavior was some of what spearheaded the carefully-crafted OSS licensing in the 80's.
It is unspeakably bizarre to me that people who know how to turn on a computer forgot that Gates is Satan's personal programmer at some point during the 21st century. I take it as an article of faith and my younger Millennial and Zoomer friends think I'm bullying a nice old man.
for real! I just noticed a show I wanted to watch Star Trek: Prodigy has been removed from Paramount+ for no fucking reason. The only reason I have that shit is because i'm a huge trekkie and I want them to make more and I think that Paramount+ is the only way they make any money for Trek and my roommate pays for it. Thank for for torrents. The show isn't even watchable from any streaming service atm so I HAVE to pirate it. Normally I don't for Star Trek simply because of how many episodes all the shows are combined but fuck it.
If I'd want to rewatch Babylon V, I'd pirate it. Same for Star Wars (not even talking about despecialized editions, I just don't want to give a dime to Disney).
Fuck intellectual property, all my friends hate the intellectual property
"Intellectual property" is a corpo term, and using it accepts their framing. They're trying to conflate copyright, trademark, and patent law with property law.
I mean, that's exactly what all three of those were intended to do -- carry property law over into a domain where it clearly doesn't make sense. so it's fully
. none of them should exist.Seconded. Enclosing the commons and doing a little primitive accumulation to actual knowledge. Love when a private corporations own colors, random snippets of genome, common words and phrases, and endless inventions that they're squatting on to ensure they don't compete with their own products.
Still, one of the key aspects of piracy is discreteness and these debates and notoriety don't help with that. Piracy does not look for you, you look for it, if you know how to find out how. The last thing I want is for every single Lemmy thread about netflix to have a top comment saying piracy is better than streaming.
You're telling me, buddy :D and not just for the obvious reasons that bring us to this community, some stuff on hard disks is also better than the "cloud".
I see a bunch of people on Lemmy World that don't understand how the fediverse works and refuse to run their own instances. Server admins can do what they want with federations, just like all the people here can do what they want when they run their own instances. If you self host you can federate with whoever you want to.
I see a lot of people taking issue with how it was handled. An obvious troll controlling sock puppets apparently spurred this, sure.
But the mods of Lemmy World went on a reddit-like spiteful ban spree, apparently forgetting that we can all see their modlogs or simply not caring about it. People got up in arms over the very childish and assholish behavior of the Lemmy World mods, and folks were eventually unbanned in some cases, but still banned from the main communities as punishment. For example, people saying they would just leave and federate their own instance got banned with mod messages telling them "let us help you with that".
Unfortunately most mods become mods because they desire the power to do things like this. They don't want to help foster and grow a community, they just want the power to ban people they don't like at will.
That's all well and good in theory, but in practice it isn't as easy.
Communities here will naturally centralize to the biggest ones. If all of a sudden an admin of the instance that a certain massive community is on goes bananas and starts de-federating from all sorts of instances and makes stupid decisions, just saying "hurr durr just go and make your own instance and community" isn't helpful because 99% of the people there won't just pick up and start again on a different instance.
The decentralized nature was supposed to solve the problems with centralization, but really all it does is make the same centralization problems happen more often.
Bro I'm still jittery from hating on spez.. all I had to see were some of the comments lemmy.world mods and admin made and it was fucking easy as piss to move instances.
Not getting rid of my old account tho, they can continue to host everything I posted.
It's a bit more nuanced than that. Their servers are based in the EU and therefore a rather easy target for copyright lawsuits, and they have neither unlimited funds nor the manpower to fight them off (even if the allegations are completely unfounded, you need a lawyer to refute them, and lawyers charge actual money).
Sometimes it's easier to focus on your strengths than fighting the good fight on all fronts and go down swinging.
As I mentioned, even if the allegations have no legal basis, you need the manpower and legal backing to refute such a claim.
Maybe read the whole comment instead of just nitpicking on half a sentence out of context?
Hosters are fully registered and are reactive to claims, not like some overseas server farms operating under Seychelles law etc.
Neat! Deeply ineffective communication! Starting to feel more like reddit by the day!
