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The S23 is virtually identical in size to the Zenfone btw.

https://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Asus-Zenfone-10,Samsung-Galaxy-S23/phones/12162,11999

Just remember that because of how vague this amendment is, if the yes vote wins as soon as the LN P get in power they can at best completely render ur irrelevant and pointless, and at worst actually use it to make life even worse for indigenous people.

This is the problem a lot of us have with it. It’s protected in name only, and has zero power.

Also bucking the trend of being well supported, having a LTPO screen, and not being 2x overpriced.

The stations are Morningside, Lindum, Banyo, and Buranda btw.

It seems they were right going by how upset people are in here. Many of these people that are carrying on like spoiled children will no doubt subscribe to premium now.

That’s honestly the only thing making me consider voting yes. I don’t want to be partly responsible for nothing being done even if I don’t think voting yes will do anything either.

What’s Spotify’s goal with this move

Get people to pay for premium.....

Well I’m voting no because it’s meaningless. We shouldn’t be putting meaningless things in to the constitution.

If it was actually meaningful change I’d be voting yes.

The issue with virtue signalling is that it’s used to pretend you’re doing something without actually having to do it. The voice is pretending to give the indigenous people some power while not actually giving them anything noteworthy. They’re acknowledged in the white settler’s constitution but basically as an afterthought for us to ignore.

My, and many others issue, is that this “first step” will in fact be treated for decades as the destination. We don’t want nothing to be done to help indigenous people, we want more done to help them. We want meaningful change, something protected that actually gives them power, not a promise that we’ll let them say something without promising that we’ll listen and take action.

Will some people point to a no win as “nothing needs to be done”? Absolutely, but I think those will just be the minority of straight up racists. More people will still want something done, just not token gestures.

This doesn’t make your voice heard any more than any of the existing indigenous advisory boards. It just gives you one more voice to be ignored, and to be used as a political tool by the government of the time. LNP get in and make some cronie the single person in the voice who makes recommendations that harm indigenous people - how does that help you?

Your argument is basically “it’s better than nothing and will lead to more”. My argument is that it is nothing, and if it goes through it will be pointed at for decades as a way to go “look we gave them a voice, we don’t need to do any more”.

There are already plenty of indigenous advisory boards that hold no power. Why do you want another that also provides no guarantee of any power?

The evidence is not clear. A poll of 700 people is not “the evidence is clear”.

Margins of error are not “truth”. You can decide you’ve got a margin of error of 1% and be wildly and massively incorrect in your results.

Also not sure why you’re saying I’m hiding behind a lie that it’s a racist white policy? Where did that come from?

I understand how polling works, and I understand that a sample size that small doesn't extrapolate out with any certainty or accuracy to a population of ~5 million.

They can say their margin of error is 10% but it doesn't make it correct.

You cannot conclude that 80% of a 5 million population support something based on a poll of 700 people lol. Absolutely absurd.

Yet people call me racist and "far right" for having this concern lol.

The actual number bounces around depending on sample size and timing, but tends to land somewhere between the 80% in an Ipsos poll of 300 First Nations people in January of this year (this poll was commissioned by 89 Degrees East, where I am research director) and the 83% in a YouGov poll of 738 First Nations people conducted this month – the largest and most representative sample I know of to date.

🤣 Sorry but those polls being used to say "80% of Indigenous Australians are in favour" is pathetic. Just over 1000 people, potentially significantly less with crossover, means you can throw that statistic in the bin.

The largest poll being only 738 people is absolutely mind boggling. Imagine using that number to extrapolate out to an entire population of a country.

You mean Rupert Murdoch put them there.

This isn’t “celebrating” our indigenous heritage. If anything it’s doing it a disservice by having the white people go “here you go little fellas, you can have a high chair up with the adults at the big table, but just shoosh and let us decide what’s best for you”.

Which makes the voice completely irrelevant. When the LNP are in power the voice will be 1 spot held by some white idiot like Barnaby Joyce or Scomo. If One Nation ever got in power the voice would be some white racist saying that the indigenous people want to all be shipped off to the middle of the country and left alone in a fenced area with no contact with the rest of the country.