It does NOT taste like a hot dog, but it's still delicious in its own right. Would recommend if you're looking for a cheaper, healthier, and more convenient variant of a plant-based hot dog.
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It does NOT taste like a hot dog, but it's still delicious in its own right. Would recommend if you're looking for a cheaper, healthier, and more convenient variant of a plant-based hot dog.
Nobody's dyin' on my end!
I don't have a problem with subbing in the carrot, but like you said, it doesn't taste like a hot dog, so don't treat it like a hot dog. Give it some special sauce/topping or marinate the carrot, make it its own experience.
If you actually read the recipe, you see that you literally do marinade it to give it a taste beyond "carrot."
Also, I honestly don't know what you're getting at when you say "don't treat it like a hot dog."
Treat it however you want. Though it doesn't have close to the taste of what is commonly known as a "hot dog," it doesn't mean that you have to abide by some arbitrary, made-up rules about how you can top it and what not.
"Hot dogs with relish, ketchup, and mustard" is a standard build for a food that was invented by the human mind. Culinary arts is actually entirely a manmade creation, and even if something isn't exactly a "hot dog," there's no reason that a person cannot find taste pleasure by applying such condiments like ketchup, relish, and mustard to it. If I'm misunderstanding what exactly you mean, let me know.
It works fine for me the way I made it, but if you actually wanted to give it a different spin if you made it yourself, that's okay.
Well nutritionally instead of being half fat, half protein, and a ton of preservatives that are probably bad for you, it's all complex-ish carbs and fibre.
Stuff like this 'hot dog' is where the "how do you even protein as a vegan bro" stuff comes about. Idk how you 'fix' that, maybe keto hotdog buns, and turning it into a bean chilli "dog"?
It sucks that you can't just go all in on vegan direct replacements because the nutrition is so different and you won't be full changing the macros of your meals overnight. If you had a terrible diet eating nothing but hotdogs and changed to this you'd feel hungry.
The whole building meals around a meat protein, and then having a bunch of other stuff diet is hard to break, and this sort of recipe is easy to give the impression that vegans are always hungry because it's so foreign.
I notice that I have to add a lot more fat to my meals to balance them because vegan protein comes with a lot more carbs, unlike animal protein which comes with fat by default.
I truthfully don't know what you're getting at entirely, but if I had to let you know anything using whatever I could take from this spiel, I'd inform you that it's totally possible to get all adequate nutrition you need on a plant-based diet, and that includes protein, as literally every plant has protein, even though some have more than others.
There are a variety of plant-based options you can turn to for the sake of getting certain nutrients, and that includes things that are high in protein but low in carbs. Tofu, literally one of the most common plant-based proteins, is a classic example of this. If you need powders or supplements for certain nutritional goals you're trying to meet daily, there are things you can take from that area of nutrition as well.
Ultimately, however, if you're looking at a carrot-based hot dog and your first thought is "Okay, but is this nutritionally adequate in terms of protein content," or, even by extension, "Wow, this is why people think vegans can't get adequate protein," then I can't help you at all there. Honestly, I find that to be a rather narrow-minded thought to derive from this, as it makes me wonder if you know just how varied plant-based meals can be in the first place.
If you had a terrible diet eating nothing but hot dogs, regardless if they're plant-based or not, then you have a problem that goes way beyond whether the garbage you're eating consists of animal carcasses or not.
My main point is that this has none of the macros of a hotdog so it hits differently than a hotdog. I am on tofu and chickpeas these days and I'm not really disputing the possibility of getting protein on a vegan diet, tofu and seitan are very under-rated by bro fitness chicken-and-rice guys. Those foods are pretty high in carbs compared to lean meat or non-fatty fish, I now have to eat a lot less stuff like bread and rice that's only carbs now. Compared to fatty meat like a hotdog, those replace the fat with complex plant carb which is probably better for you, but is a struggle to adjust to.
When I ate hotdogs I could eat like 3 and be good for a while if that was my lunch. I don't see myself eating 3 carrot-dogs and being good for a while.
A lot of people have surprisingly bad diets, I know too many people who don't really eat vegetables. When a typical meat-eater thinks about going vegan, they imagine eating a giant carrot replacing their giant slab of meat, and this is why people come in and say these things. I understand that point of view on this as someone who struggles with switching, and a recipe that tries to emulate the flavour profile and form of a hotdog but not the having the actual stuff that makes you feel like you ate a hotdog 10 minutes ago is a confusing thing for a non-vegan.
There's no real point to the original commenter, and there's no real point to my comment. Other than me understanding where the other person comes from.
To this, I can literally just repeat the point that that this is just one spin on plant-based hot dogs. There are hot dogs that actually not only do a better job at imitating the taste of flesh but have similar nutritional profiles than flesh-based hot dogs, and, especially nowadays, these "carrot dogs" are actually less mainstream than plant-based hot dogs that taste meaty.
In a sense, you are inadvertently admitting that you have very little knowledge on how plant-based eating actually can be, and it's okay to be ignorant about it, but the whole "this is why people say things like 'vegans can't get adequate nutrition" just reeks of the common tendency that carnists have to concern troll about everything pertaining to veganism.
Carnists often feel insecure about discussing veganism due to it causing cognitive dissonance, considering that there is no real sound, logical argument against veganism. I do animal rights activism regularly, and I have witnessed this manifest in many forms. It oftentimes entails making awful excuses (and turning to this very false idea that vegans cannot get adequate nutrition is among the most common), grasping at straws to make a tu quoque argument against vegans, and abusing bad faith.
When doing activism, my partner and I have literally heard people use "I can't get adequate nutrition as a vegan" as an excuse for why they are not vegan, to which we always respond with by asking, "If we could prove that you could get adequate nutrition on a plant-based diet, would you go vegan?", and these people still often respond with a "No," indicating that the reason they gave is entirely disingenuous. The point of such an excuse is often to make people feel like they have a valid "pass" to support and condone the immorality that is animal exploitation and abuse, not to actually speak in good faith.
The fact that you assume such good faith from the user I responded to is what makes me very skeptical because a person being so tilted over seeing a carrot-based hot dog is the exact kind of shit carnists do when expressing their frustration with veganism. It makes no sense that you're making points that are mostly about nutrition to empathize with this user even though their comment I was responding to actually said nothing about nutrition, so for you to relate this to nutrition as a way to defend the comment is honestly just flat-out illogical.
Not only that, but similar to the user I initially responded to, you seem to be conveniently glossing over the fact that if you actually read the recipe, the creator of this recipe says that this is not an accurate imitation for the taste of a hot dog.
Bottom line, this isn't as deep as either of you are making it. This is simply a recipe that uses a marinated carrot in place of the typical ingredients for a hot dog, and that's it. This singular plant-based food item doesn't say anything about vegan nutrition nor does it capture the essence of what kind of food a plant-based diet must entail. Plant-based diets can have a shit ton of variety, and making comments that reek of disingenuous carnist bullshit because of a single instance of carrot-based hot dog when there are several other examples of plant-based dishes that are far different than this in terms of both flavor and nutrition certainly raises my eyebrow when I think back to my experience of interacting with so many carnists who pull this shit in bad faith.
I sincerely do not perceive any of this as being hard to understand. Also, the concern trolling too... no, the reason why people have fears about plant-based diets not being able to provide adequate nutrition is not fucking carrot-based hot dogs. It's just plain ignorance, and you are underestimating how much ignorance carnists can have. I understand that you are a carnist yourself, but honestly, I think your understanding of plant-based diets is far too shortsighted for you to make statements like that without me just perceiving it as concern trolling.
I did miss the recipe when I looked at the post initially, sounds pretty interesting. And I'm not trying to set some mandate of what food is allowed, I just think it's a bit played out for so many vegan recipes to be trying to approximate the non-vegan version, because it's always a poor imitation. I would rather have a tasty dish that can stand on its own without inviting the comparison, and maybe even attract people to it who wouldn't normally seek vegan.
What's funny about this response is that the page I linked to literally says that it does NOT taste like a hot dog.
This isn't that deep. It seems like what you're effectively getting at is that you're upset with there being a vegan imitation of something that's usually not vegan. That's it.
If it bothers you that much, think of carrot-based hot dogs in isolation. Many vegans themselves literally enjoy these kinds of alternatives that don't strive to "perfectly imitate" their animal-based counterpart over things that do. There are tons of vegans who, for instance, enjoy black bean burgers over burgers that strive to taste meaty, even though black bean burgers literally don't taste close to beef burgers. These vegans are not here to say "wow black bean burgers totally taste the same." In fact, many cite the taste difference as their exact reason for this preference.
You say this like there aren't recipes that already aim to actually imitate meat-based hot dogs. This recipe isn't one of them. Furthermore, plant-based recipes in and of themselves aren't really what convince people to eat plant-based. Veganism is an ethical stance against animal exploitation and abuse. People aren't eating plants when they could have a meat-based alternative of the exact same thing just for fuck all reasons.
It's very annoying how people add so much heated emotion into what are casual statements when they can't hear the tone of voice. It doesn't bother me enough to warrant a diatribe like I just received. And I obviously wasn't going to read the life story that preempts the actual recipe like is on every awful recipe site.
In a world where carnists will literally grasp at straws to squeeze in anti-vegan sentiment whenever they can, especially when we're on an instance that forbids anti-vegan sentiment, I have very much a reason to believe that you being so concerned about "not treating it like a hot dog" is just a bad-faith attempt to express the discomfort that vegan alternatives bring you, especially since you didn't even seem to have a modicum of curiosity to at least read up on how this dish is prepared before you gave your comment.
Carnists can oftentimes be so myopic that they say shit like, "Why do vegans make their food look and taste like meat instead of just eating meat? 😂😂😂😂" I talk with them rather frequently, and I have to hear these dense, absurdly shortsighted kinds of takes all the time.
If you genuinely did not intend bad faith, then I will issue you an apology right now.
However, taking into consideration what I just wrote, if you want to avoid this, then next time, I'd advise you to try phrasing your comment in a way that doesn't sound like you're pissed off about the violation of the purity of junky, processed dish that is usually made from animal carcasses.
Instead of "It's not a hot dog, so don't treat it like a hot dog" (whatever the fuck that means), say something like "I wonder if it being carrot-based would make toppings that are unusual for meat-based hot dogs work well on it." Otherwise, I just sense the vibe of that pitiful carnist energy that I'm all too familiar with.
Libs and not reading are a classic combo like hotdogs and ketchup