If you think a referendum from 1959 fairly represents the interests of the native population then what else is there to say.
that it does, and you have failed to prove otherwise despite quoting a block f text you clearly don’t understand— OR are intentionally misrepresenting, hoping everyone else here is too stupid to realize you’re trying to pull a fast one on them.
A referendum to either become a state or remain a territory is not relevant to the question of the occupation.
only because you’ve moved the goalposts when you couldn’t win that argument with facts.
People were never given a choice of independence
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the people always ave that choice. they can protest, revolt, etc. Did the Bolsheviks just ask the Tsars to pretty please step aside?
Seems that you’re intentionally arguing in bad faith here.
I’m not the one ignoring facts, employing logical fallacies and hurling personal insults when I don’t “win” online arguments.
Clearly you’re a much bigger idiot than I thought you were.
can’t argue with facts, so playskool insults it is. classy. no wonder I see he molding full of you getting posts and comments removed, and you’re totally banned form lemmy.world.
also explains this post https://lemmy.ml/post/2756876
only because you’ve moved the goalposts when you couldn’t win that argument with facts.
I didn't move any goal posts. I said Hawaii is an occupied territory, and you came back with BuT ThEy HaD a RefErEnduM. Forgetting to mention that the referendum wasn't actually about independence and that the people of Hawaii were never given a choice of independence by their occupiers.
There is no false dichotomy here. It's hilarious seeing your comment history where you communicate through memes like a 5 year old child.
the people always ave that choice. they can protest, revolt, etc. Did the Bolsheviks just ask the Tsars to pretty please step aside?
People in Hawaii are revolting against your regime as we speak.
The facts are that you made false claim and now you don't even have the decency to admit it. No point having further discussion with a liar.
also explains this post https://lemmy.ml/post/2756876
“nuh-uh!” isn’t a very convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.
There is no false dichotomy here.
see my previous reply
People in Hawaii are revolting against your regime as we speak.
a handful of protesters is hardly a “revolt”, but you’re adorable for thinking “big”.
The facts are
the last thing you have is a grasp on the facts. your comment an post history are proof enough of that, with a long history of bans, deleted comments, and verbally being drummed you of most places you visit or being a toxic mess.
“nuh-uh!” isn’t a very convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.
Do feel free to articulate which goal posts you're claiming that I moved. Be specific.
see my previous reply
I did, it's nonsensical.
a handful of protesters is hardly a “revolt”, but you’re adorable for thinking “big”.
Way to dismiss majority of the native population. I guess that's what you'd expect from racist occupiers.
the last thing you have is a grasp on the facts. your comment an post history are proof enough of that, with a long history of bans, deleted comments, and verbally being drummed you of most places you visit or being a toxic mess.
Wow interesting narrative you made up about me there. Maybe send me of whatever drugs you're having while hallucinating these things, cause that sounds like some good shit.
Do feel free to articulate which goal posts you’re claiming that I moved. Be specific.
I already have, in detail. sealioning as you last line of attack? boring…
I did, it’s nonsensical.
I’m not responsible for your lack of comprehension.
Way to dismiss majority of the native population.
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Wow interesting narrative you made up about me there
anyone is free to look at your comment history or the modlogs. no drugs necessary. how like you to hurl insult - yet again - when confronted with facts you can’t refute.
You're literally defending why it's justified for US to occupy Hawaii in this thread colonizer. I'm very much entertained by you publicly debasing yourself here. Hope you made enough FICO score points to buy yourself food tonight.
You’re literally defending why it’s justified for US to occupy Hawaii in this thread colonizer
I merely presented facts you didn’t like, so you’re lying about what I said (even though anyone can scroll up and see you’re lying and what I actually said) just because you have no argument other than to hurl insults.
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I’m very much entertained by you publicly debasing yourself here.
then you’re experiencing hallucinations, as the facts don’t correspond to your experience.
Hope you made enough FICO score points to buy yourself food tonight.
whatever that means…. I buy food with money I earn from work.
What you presented was a referendum that wasn't done exclusively amongst the indigenous population whose land your regime occupied, and that wasn't about independence at all.
That's the only actual straw man in this thread.
And now you just keep spamming here instead of admitting that you are a liar, but anybody can read this thread and see that you are full of shit.
whatever that means…. I buy food with money I earn from work.
since, after multiple accusations, you STILL can’t show evidence of this without either putting words in my mouth or outright lying (which I point out every time, as the comments above prove), it’s a bit f a joke now when you say this.
What you presented was a referendum that wasn’t done exclusively amongst the indigenous population whose land your regime occupied, and that wasn’t about independence at all.
moving the goalposts doesn’t change the facts, which I have laid out and explained detail above already. repeating the same logical fallacies over and over won’t make them magically come true.
And now you just keep spamming her
if you don’t like it when I call out your repeated BS every time you reply with false accusations, childish insults, logical fallacies, and outright lies, then you cans top any time. facing the consequences of your actions is not a a state of victimhood.
at a troll farm
oh, I thought you loved Russians and the fine work they do!
lmao I love how you think that if you just keep repeating bullshit enough times it’ll be true, what an utter clown you are
it’s interesting how simply hearing the facts repeated angers you so much, right to the point of tantrums and hurling insults. Hardly a position from which to argue that your is the reasonable point, or the factual one, especially since you have no facts.
Sorry to bother you two, but it's pretty clear we have someone running maybe six different alts, and it looks like they're boosting each one with votes from the others. Is that allowed here? See the comment I'm replying to and the comment it replied to for evidence.
it’s not amazing that I can copy and paste images I see in other comment threads. especially when they work well… I even say that’s what I did in several comments.
it’s sad that, rather than seeing that you’re wrong, you invent conspiracies, lmao. you’re not that important
Whhaaaa??? you mean to say that a brigading band of angry trolls from two of the most toxic instances in the fediverse remain unconvinced by facts and logic??? GASP!!
No, I’m talking about the one angry troll pretending to be six different people who is being toxic in this thread.
right, because the only way some could disagree with or object to a brigade of angry trolls from hexbear is because of some “conspiracy” you can’t prove.
lol
You’re committing a strawman fallacy, or a false equivalence, or a false dichotomy, whatever, take your pick. You don’t know the difference, anyway.
“I know you are but what am I?” doesn’t make a convincing argument. most people learn that when they’re 5.
No, you're right, it's much more likely that several different users are all doing the same "everything you say is a logical fallacy" shtick, using the exact same Philosophy 101 infographics for these alleged logical fallacies in their posts, all completely failing to understand the logical fallacies they're accusing others of committing, all using the same arguments verbatim, have all been active in the last five hours, all have comment scores that immediately shoot up to 7 after a few minutes, all have posts in the same Star Trek comm where one of the accounts just happens to be a mod, and are all acting like all around shithead trolls everywhere they go. Nope, clearly totally separate people, must be a conspiracy.
Again, no one's buying it.
Honestly I kind of pity you. How bad is your life that you have to sit here for hours on the internet with several different accounts just being a shithead everywhere and just keep arguing with people like a child? It's really pathetic. Get off the computer, go outside, go talk to people.
No, you’re right, it’s much more likely that several different users are all doing the same “everything you say is a logical fallacy” shtick, using the exact same Philosophy 101 infographics for these alleged logical fallacies in their posts,
yeah, because google exists and copy/paste exist everywhere but on whatever planet you’re from. You guys should get on that.
it’s been my experience that bullies like to blame others for the consequences they face rather then accept them.
you’re free to troll someone else. all your bottled up rage has to go somewhere, right? it’s not like you know how to deal with it in a healthy way, or you wouldn’t be here proving that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In me experience, and especially with those who’ve been accused of projection in the past, a really good tell of someone’s insecurity is the good ol’ “you’re projecting” line. see, it’s something a psychologist wouldn’t really be able to diagnose until they’d met and interviewed a person, but with online trolls and bullies, it’s a pretty easy tell that they, in fact, are the ones projecting.
you’re pretty sloppy at trolling, and you give yourself away a lot. oh, and beyond wasting bth of our time, you really haven’t done anything but make yourself very upset. I’ve enjoyed serveral films.
Anyway, what about your parents? Did your mother love you? From the way you’ve been behaving today, I’m starting to think she might not have been a part of your life. Do you need a hug?
you know that “projection” thing you were talking about? 😄
your life must be pretty dull if all you can do is spend time imagining conspiracies against, you. and such boring conspiracies…
edit: I wonder… if you told someone your little theory, do you think they’d think you were making it up, or just shocked at how pathetic it was you gave a crap?"
because I know what th word means. don’t fear knowledge, kid. knowledge is super!
I’m just making deductions based on observations, that’s all.
jumping straight tp paranoid conspiracy rather than considering that your trolling is unpopular isn’t what most would consider rational.
It’s okay if you don’t want to talk about your dad, it’s not your fault he wasn’t around when you were a child. What about the other kids in school? Did they bully you a lot? I’m getting a real “bullied as a child” impression from you, the way you keep lashing out on the internet like this.
I’m sorry that you really want to talk about your dad, but I’m not your therapist.
then I suppose “paranoid delusion” is more appropriate.
Do you remember when he left you? Did he ever lay his hands on you or your mother? Other siblings? Remember, it’s not your fault he hit you. You’re not a bad person.
kinda supports my argument that you’re a troll if this is your idea of fun.
but I’ve wasted too much time on this conversation already, and I’d rather be spending it doing literally anything else.
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if that were true, you wouldn't have spent hours here trying to convince me of the weird things going on in your head.
In all seriousness though, I do hope you seek therapy. This level of toxic internet behavior really isn’t healthy.
at last, some self-reflection, even if it’s reflecting off of me…. (ya know, that projection thing you mentioned earlier…) also, best of luck with your dad!
seems like they struck a nerve if you're this bent out of shape defending one of the US colonial occupations- I get that it's strategically important to have a military base right smack in the middle of the pacific, but come on don't be a ghoul.
that it does, and you have failed to prove otherwise despite quoting a block f text you clearly don’t understand— OR are intentionally misrepresenting, hoping everyone else here is too stupid to realize you’re trying to pull a fast one on them.
Fortunately, I’m not the idiot you think I am.
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only because you’ve moved the goalposts when you couldn’t win that argument with facts.
the people always ave that choice. they can protest, revolt, etc. Did the Bolsheviks just ask the Tsars to pretty please step aside?
I’m not the one ignoring facts, employing logical fallacies and hurling personal insults when I don’t “win” online arguments.
can’t argue with facts, so playskool insults it is. classy. no wonder I see he molding full of you getting posts and comments removed, and you’re totally banned form lemmy.world.
also explains this post https://lemmy.ml/post/2756876
I didn't move any goal posts. I said Hawaii is an occupied territory, and you came back with BuT ThEy HaD a RefErEnduM. Forgetting to mention that the referendum wasn't actually about independence and that the people of Hawaii were never given a choice of independence by their occupiers.
There is no false dichotomy here. It's hilarious seeing your comment history where you communicate through memes like a 5 year old child.
People in Hawaii are revolting against your regime as we speak.
The facts are that you made false claim and now you don't even have the decency to admit it. No point having further discussion with a liar.
love living rent free in your collective heads
“nuh-uh!” isn’t a very convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.
see my previous reply
a handful of protesters is hardly a “revolt”, but you’re adorable for thinking “big”.
the last thing you have is a grasp on the facts. your comment an post history are proof enough of that, with a long history of bans, deleted comments, and verbally being drummed you of most places you visit or being a toxic mess.
how sad for you
Do feel free to articulate which goal posts you're claiming that I moved. Be specific.
I did, it's nonsensical.
Way to dismiss majority of the native population. I guess that's what you'd expect from racist occupiers.
Wow interesting narrative you made up about me there. Maybe send me of whatever drugs you're having while hallucinating these things, cause that sounds like some good shit.
Nah, it's free entertainment for me kddio.
I already have, in detail. sealioning as you last line of attack? boring…
I’m not responsible for your lack of comprehension.
anyone is free to look at your comment history or the modlogs. no drugs necessary. how like you to hurl insult - yet again - when confronted with facts you can’t refute.
not very convincing….
You have not done any such thing, but I guess lying is all you've been doing here, so that's par for the course.
“nuh-uh!” isn’t a very convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.
“I know you are but what am I?” isn’t a very convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.
Whatever you say colonizer.
ooo, more name-calling. still “entertained”? lmao
You're literally defending why it's justified for US to occupy Hawaii in this thread colonizer. I'm very much entertained by you publicly debasing yourself here. Hope you made enough FICO score points to buy yourself food tonight.
I merely presented facts you didn’t like, so you’re lying about what I said (even though anyone can scroll up and see you’re lying and what I actually said) just because you have no argument other than to hurl insults.
then you’re experiencing hallucinations, as the facts don’t correspond to your experience.
whatever that means…. I buy food with money I earn from work.
If by presented facts you mean lied then sure.
What you presented was a referendum that wasn't done exclusively amongst the indigenous population whose land your regime occupied, and that wasn't about independence at all.
That's the only actual straw man in this thread.
And now you just keep spamming here instead of admitting that you are a liar, but anybody can read this thread and see that you are full of shit.
at a troll farm
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since, after multiple accusations, you STILL can’t show evidence of this without either putting words in my mouth or outright lying (which I point out every time, as the comments above prove), it’s a bit f a joke now when you say this.
moving the goalposts doesn’t change the facts, which I have laid out and explained detail above already. repeating the same logical fallacies over and over won’t make them magically come true.
if you don’t like it when I call out your repeated BS every time you reply with false accusations, childish insults, logical fallacies, and outright lies, then you cans top any time. facing the consequences of your actions is not a a state of victimhood.
oh, I thought you loved Russians and the fine work they do!
lmao
lmao I love how you think that if you just keep repeating bullshit enough times it'll be true, what an utter clown you are
it’s interesting how simply hearing the facts repeated angers you so much, right to the point of tantrums and hurling insults. Hardly a position from which to argue that your is the reasonable point, or the factual one, especially since you have no facts.
You'd think people would at least have the decency to keep their mouth shut right now.
I mean Biden only offered them like $700. Who knows when they'll get that, if at all!
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Amazing that @whiskeypickle@lemmy.ml, who is also a fan of those weird debate fallacy images, posted this in another thread today:
Also this, also from today:
You also posted that second one, verbatim, this afternoon as @adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml.
You're the same person, aren't you?
Edit: Lol you even responded to an argument in this thread while still logged in to @whiskeypickle@lemmy.ml, then deleted it because someone noticed.
lol i was just about to mention this
http://lemmy.ml/u/bauhaus
is clearly part of the same group of alt accounts.
@yogthos@lemmygrad.ml @yogthos@lemmy.ml Check this out lmao. I don't think all the traffic going to that threat of haters is organic man
absolutely incredible stuff
I wish them a swift recovery from whatever this is exactly!!!
@Rumblestiltskin@lemmy.ml @AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml
Sorry to bother you two, but it's pretty clear we have someone running maybe six different alts, and it looks like they're boosting each one with votes from the others. Is that allowed here? See the comment I'm replying to and the comment it replied to for evidence.
it’s not amazing that I can copy and paste images I see in other comment threads. especially when they work well… I even say that’s what I did in several comments.
it’s sad that, rather than seeing that you’re wrong, you invent conspiracies, lmao. you’re not that important
No one's buying it, you know that, right?
Whhaaaa??? you mean to say that a brigading band of angry trolls from two of the most toxic instances in the fediverse remain unconvinced by facts and logic??? GASP!!
No, I'm talking about the one angry troll pretending to be six different people who is being toxic in this thread.
That's you, since you seem to have trouble understanding things that aren't spelled out for you (or for that matter, things that are).
You're committing a strawman fallacy, or a false equivalence, or a false dichotomy, whatever, take your pick. You don't know the difference, anyway.
right, because the only way some could disagree with or object to a brigade of angry trolls from hexbear is because of some “conspiracy” you can’t prove.
lol
“I know you are but what am I?” doesn’t make a convincing argument. most people learn that when they’re 5.
No, you're right, it's much more likely that several different users are all doing the same "everything you say is a logical fallacy" shtick, using the exact same Philosophy 101 infographics for these alleged logical fallacies in their posts, all completely failing to understand the logical fallacies they're accusing others of committing, all using the same arguments verbatim, have all been active in the last five hours, all have comment scores that immediately shoot up to 7 after a few minutes, all have posts in the same Star Trek comm where one of the accounts just happens to be a mod, and are all acting like all around shithead trolls everywhere they go. Nope, clearly totally separate people, must be a conspiracy.
Again, no one's buying it.
Honestly I kind of pity you. How bad is your life that you have to sit here for hours on the internet with several different accounts just being a shithead everywhere and just keep arguing with people like a child? It's really pathetic. Get off the computer, go outside, go talk to people.
yeah, because google exists and copy/paste exist everywhere but on whatever planet you’re from. You guys should get on that.
it’s been my experience that bullies like to blame others for the consequences they face rather then accept them.
Is that why you're still denying all of your alts?
Go ahead and take a few minutes to respond, I know you're engaged in several other discussions right now on your other accounts.
I’m very sorry for your troubles. just so you know, professional help is available in your area.
best of luck with that
Come on, you can do better than that. What happened to all your infographics about random fallacies? Those are hilarious.
you’re free to troll someone else. all your bottled up rage has to go somewhere, right? it’s not like you know how to deal with it in a healthy way, or you wouldn’t be here proving that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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lol, you’re funny.
In me experience, and especially with those who’ve been accused of projection in the past, a really good tell of someone’s insecurity is the good ol’ “you’re projecting” line. see, it’s something a psychologist wouldn’t really be able to diagnose until they’d met and interviewed a person, but with online trolls and bullies, it’s a pretty easy tell that they, in fact, are the ones projecting.
you’re pretty sloppy at trolling, and you give yourself away a lot. oh, and beyond wasting bth of our time, you really haven’t done anything but make yourself very upset. I’ve enjoyed serveral films.
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must be ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
you know that “projection” thing you were talking about? 😄
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your life must be pretty dull if all you can do is spend time imagining conspiracies against, you. and such boring conspiracies…
edit: I wonder… if you told someone your little theory, do you think they’d think you were making it up, or just shocked at how pathetic it was you gave a crap?"
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because I know what th word means. don’t fear knowledge, kid. knowledge is super!
jumping straight tp paranoid conspiracy rather than considering that your trolling is unpopular isn’t what most would consider rational.
I’m sorry that you really want to talk about your dad, but I’m not your therapist.
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then I suppose “paranoid delusion” is more appropriate.
I’m sorry to hear of your troubled childhood
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kinda supports my argument that you’re a troll if this is your idea of fun.
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if that were true, you wouldn't have spent hours here trying to convince me of the weird things going on in your head.
at last, some self-reflection, even if it’s reflecting off of me…. (ya know, that projection thing you mentioned earlier…) also, best of luck with your dad!
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How about you shut the fuck up, on however many accounts you're running
such hate, such anger, and not a very good imagination.
I’m glad I’m not you.
I don't think about you at all
lol, proven by your repeated angry replies.
edit: before you get your conspiracy hallucinations going, you posted a comment that pinged my notification, so I saw this thread.
sure ya don't
yo, hit me an infographic for the 'ligma' fallacy if you have one.
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seems like they struck a nerve if you're this bent out of shape defending one of the US colonial occupations- I get that it's strategically important to have a military base right smack in the middle of the pacific, but come on don't be a ghoul.
that’s some imagination you got there, lol