I figured since their admin has asked them to stop participating over here it may be worthwhile to get a new discussion going that is primarily blahaj. I'm almost certain they'll still be upvoting so keep that in mind as that may skew things. Worthwhile to check in from instances that have already defederated them. The previous thread definitely left a bad taste in my mouth but what do y'all think?
Old thread can be found here
EDIT: With regards to the post on new federation guidelines here: https://hexbear.net/post/352119
The current top comment is:
Every instance that has talked shit and got dogpiled should be thanking us for breathing some life into their dead and boring ass websites.
I agree with defederation based solely on the fact that nothing can be argued without it developing into an utter shit-fest with them. They only have memes and a spectrum of weird to abhorrent takes politically to give.
What, overall would we be losing vs gaining the ability to use the rest of Lemmy in peace?
This is exactly how I see it
Honestly I find them more toxic than the people over at Lemmygrad and that is by no means a support of those people either, they're both shit.
Exactly. I've been on boards, communities, channels and networks on dozens of different variations of internet based communication for more than two decades now. I've dealt with these types longer and more often than I'm proud to admit. It doesn't matter how well spoken or well intentioned a few of them are, the people making the most noise on their behalf are shitheel trolls who aren't worth engagement.
Mark my words, they're trying to make a leftist version of The_Donald.
It's up to us to call them on their bullshit before it really takes hold.
They're not "trying to make" anything, Hexbear is one of the oldest and most established Lemmy servers out there. They've been around longer than either of our instances.
So?
I just thought it was weird that you were saying "they're trying to make a leftist version of the Donald" and "we have to call them out before it takes hold" like they're not already here and in force. The problems we're having right now descend from the just how established they are as a community, and the Federation isn't as established yet, so there's a lot of friction and no one quite knows how to handle the other.
There's no conspiracy here, it's just culture shock.
Fair enough. I'm not suggesting it's a conspiracy. Just that we shouldn't let ourselves become complacent to their shit-slinging.
No one took the subreddit of shitheel meme slingers seriously in 2015 either. We tried to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Look where we are now.
I think what the other person was saying is that they've already created the lefty version of The_Donald and honestly I have to agree with take
They're so good damn toxic that I've literally blocked more of them in the last 48 than I've blocked people in general since I moved over to Lemmy
Not quite what I mean. I don't think Hexbear is comparable to the Donald at all. They may be rude, but they're a hell of a lot less hateful. I was just saying that they already are what they are, whatever you consider that to be.
They don't need to be hateful to be counterproductive. Even if they are legit, their methods aren't helpful.