Sometimes I’ll run into a baffling issue with a tech product — be it headphones, Google apps like maps or its search features, Apple products, Spotify, other apps, and so on — and when I look for solutions online I sometimes discover this has been an issue for years. Sometimes for many many years.

These tech companies are sometimes ENORMOUS. How is it that these issues persist? Why do some things end up being so inefficient, unintuitive, or clunky? Why do I catch myself saying “oh my dear fucking lord” under my breath so often when I use tech?

Are there no employees who check forums? Does the architecture become so huge and messy that something seemingly simple is actually super hard to fix? Do these companies not have teams that test this stuff?

Why is it so pervasive? And why does some of it seem to be ignored for literal years? Sometimes even a decade!

Is it all due to enshittification? Do they trap us in as users and then stop giving a shit? Or is there more to it than that?

  • kingthrillgore@lemmy.ml
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    2 days ago

    Agile has poisoned software development to the point where it's fine to ship shit products that can be fixed post-release, which of course gives stakeholders and execs the reasons to tie performance and bonuses to shipping, as opposed to routine stable operations.

    I don't know if going back to Waterfall is the right fix, but something has to change. Shipping crap is the new normal. If programmers organize to fight for better wages and conditions, we absolutely must fight to hold management responsible for code quality. Get us additional hours for unit and behavioral testing, assessing and tackling technical debt, and so on.

  • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
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    3 days ago

    The difficulty of keeping something working scales exponentially as its complexity grows. Something of 1x complexity take 1y effort, but 2x complex is 10y effort, 3x complex is 100y, on and on.

    Phones/computers/apps are at hilarious levels of complex now, and even 100k people running flat out can barely maintain the illusion that they "just work." Add enshittification heaping its intentionally garbage experience onto the unintentional garbage experience that is modern computing, and it's just gotten stupid.

  • josephsh5@lemm.ee
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    3 days ago

    "Unless it's renders the product completely unusable, why spend money and fix it?"

    Corporate mindset in a nutshell!

  • darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 days ago

    Why is it so pervasive? And why does some of it seem to be ignored for literal years?

    Considering that you know that these problems have not yet been fixed, you must still be using these products despite these problems not yet being fixed and there's your answer: What would the motivation be to fix problems that aren't severe enough to make you stop using the product?

  • Ephera@lemmy.ml
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    3 days ago

    Speaking as a software engineer, it's usually a combination of things.

    The root of all evil is that yes, fixing that thing doesn't just take one hour, as it should, but rather a few days. This is mostly preventable by having sufficient automated tests, high code quality and frequent releases, but it's a lot of work to keep up with. And you really need management to not pressure early feature delivery, because then devs will skip doing necessary work to keep up this high feature-delivery velocity.

    Well, and as soon as such a small fix has a chance of taking more than a day or so, then you kind of need to talk to management, whether this should be done.
    Which means probably another day or so of just talking about it, and a good chance of them saying we'll do it after we've delivered this extremely important feature, which usually means 'never', because there is always another extremely important feature.

  • myliltoehurts@lemm.ee
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    3 days ago

    Aside from the effort required others have mentioned, there's also an effect of capitalism.

    For a lot of their tech, they have a near-monopoly or at least a very large market share. Take windows from Microsoft. What motivation would they have to fix bugs which impact even 5-10% of their userbase? Their only competition is linux with its' around 4(?)% market share and osx which requires expensive hardware. Not fixing the bug just makes people annoyed, but 90% won't leave because they can't. As long as it doesn't impact enterprise contracts it's not worth it to fix it because the time spent doing that is a loss for shareholders, meanwhile new features which can collect data (like copilot for example) that can be sold generate money.

    I'm sure even the devs in most places want to make better products and fight management to give them more time to deliver features so they can be better quality - but it's an exhausting sharp uphill battle which never ends, and at the end of the day the person who made broken feature with data collector 9000 built in will probably get the promotion while the person who fixed 800 5+ year old bugs gets a shout-out on a zoom call.

  • flashgnash@lemm.ee
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    3 days ago

    Programmers don't get given the leeway to make the work they do of good quality if it doesn't directly lead to more profit

  • penquin@lemm.ee
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    3 days ago

    Have you tried Google keyboard (gboard) lately? It made me want to break my phone and just not have one at all. It corrects proper words to other words that make the sentences don't make sense. It corrects words that are already correct and it ignores the misspelled words. It wants to speak for me. They think they're making us type faster with their predictive text, but I was re-reading every thing I put on the internet. I became slower. Thankfully I found a worse keyboard, but it doesn't autocorrects as much and I'm ok with that. Fuck Google.

      • penquin@lemm.ee
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        3 days ago

        I didn't know about this keyboard actually. Just installed it and it's great. Only issue with it that it only supports English. I guess I'll use it for English only. Thank you so much.

        EDIT: never mind. It does support other languages. All set now.

          • penquin@lemm.ee
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            2 days ago

            How do you enable swiping in this keyboard. I can't, for the life of me, find it in the settings.

            • geoma@lemmy.ml
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              16 hours ago

              To enable gesture typing, download Google's gesture typing library at https://github.com/erkserkserks/openboard/tree/master/app/src/main/jniLibs/arm64-v8a and then import it by opening the OpenBoard settings app, going to "Advanced", and then choosing "Load gesture typing library". Note: Google's library is proprietary and not open source.

  • AdNecrias@lemmy.pt
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    3 days ago

    Something I've noticed in places I've work that aren't small, whoever has talent gets promoted into being half the time in meetings at best, and at worse into managing teams and working by Outlook.

  • Cornflake@lemmy.wtf
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    3 days ago

    This is somewhat outside the box but as tech becomes easier, a lot of people tend to become weaker at certain tech skills. An example of this is directory management. A lot of folks don't organize their file structures nowadays, relying heavily on the search bar to find everything.

  • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com
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    3 days ago

    enshitification is based on the ease of moving profits from users to creators then from creators to shareholders in a digital service economy all the while degrading the service for the users and then the creators as the profit fulcrum.

    so enshitification might be a different thing than the reality around manufacturing items in an international environment which requires design decisions that later require revising because not all materials are available from everyone in the way a design is called for. and finding people that can assemble things while receiving a wage that they can live so that a company can make a profit requires compromises. and that is just two tiny points in not including shipping and workspaces and insurance et cetera

    it is hard, yo. in a not a one part is inconceivable hard but in a it gets complicated pretty quickly type of hard.

  • 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de
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    3 days ago

    Apple

    I’ve submitted at least 8 bug reports to them since Oct 2023 (and also many suggestions) through their feedback app. No response to any of them until now. The only closed bugs I closed myself because the problem went away in an update.

    I’m pretty sure they don’t have any bug triager whatsoever.

    I’ll keep doing it out of spite and because it’s what I do for open-source as well, but I’m really not sure if it has any effect at all.

  • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
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    3 days ago

    Leveraging technology is a lever of power. Whenever you use technology, you are acting in a submissive manner and that will be used to exploit you.