I think for some people (mainly men I’d wager?) there is a thing about wanting to fuck a thing and also hating that same thing not being mutually exclusive phenomena. “The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference” as the famous line goes, not that I conflate love with lust.
I think that’s probably the case in a lot of incels who hate women, but still sexually desire them, presumably in a lot of SA cases and murder cases too.
Because women exist as property to them, meant for possession. When the woman breaks out of this condition and asserts herself as something other than an object, they wish to force her back in her place. They hate (wish to push women back into property status) but desire women (wish to possess them as property) at the same time.
Most living women won't fetishise themselves like anime girls are fetishised. I'm sure that real life "ditzy" and "kawaii" idols are popular, especially amongst chuds.
Another part of it stereotypes. Both in anime and real life, hair colors often have stereotypes. Although in the case of anime, it is usually intentional.
And there is also the place, japan factor that has to be considered.
Because they have a porn addiction and have already spent hours upon hours scrolling through vanilla porn, it no longer does it for them and they need to find something different to get off. Usually that different thing becomes more and more extreme/alternative porn such as sexual violence, same sex porn even though they have never been attracted to the same sex before their addiction, futa and even child porn.
Fwiw I'd argue that "same sex" and ""futa"" (trans/intersex) porn and sexuality shouldn't be considered extreme or "alternative" in the first place, though I know that wasn't what you were trying to say.
You're right about the mechanism of the addiction though, but I'd also add another thing- these gooners hate cis women as well (though hating on trans and queer people is even easier/more societally promoted yet). And this behavior and hatred long predates modern pornography in any of its forms, sadly.
They're not just "victims of an addiction" - the resentment and dehumanization predates the addiction (which doesn't help). They're simply shitty, bigoted, entitled people, sadly a tale as old as time.
(edit) basically- liking trans/intersex/etc bodies is natural. Liking bodies of the same sex is natural. I don't think it's an "extremity" that drives people to liking such porn (the other things mentioned on the other hand, yes), it simply means they're attracted to other human bodies, it's not an abnormality
True. Though (while this doesn't contradict) I'd argue that they had to have the- inclination, or interest inherent from the start (which is entirely natural and nothing wrong nor extreme- it is their perception of it that is extreme).
*Edit: if you think about it, it would be more absurd and unlikely for someone to, say, only be interested in one extreme or the other of the stereotypical gender spectrum, presentation, or identity. Being a p-do, or liking violent or non-consensual sex- those are all genuine abnormalities and extremities, to which those people with such issues need to control and work against internally- ie. nothing alike.
Some of the most bigoted people are internalizing their own insecurities or self-hatred, for instance. Back as a kid (thankfully when confronted with it I learnt better and rapidly and was decent by 16-17 onwards) I used to be vocally homophobic for instance myself, beyond what even I was raised to be (literally talked about "killing gays and racists..")
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I think for some people (mainly men I’d wager?) there is a thing about wanting to fuck a thing and also hating that same thing not being mutually exclusive phenomena. “The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference” as the famous line goes, not that I conflate love with lust.
I think that’s probably the case in a lot of incels who hate women, but still sexually desire them, presumably in a lot of SA cases and murder cases too.
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Because women exist as property to them, meant for possession. When the woman breaks out of this condition and asserts herself as something other than an object, they wish to force her back in her place. They hate (wish to push women back into property status) but desire women (wish to possess them as property) at the same time.
They want to reap both of the benefits of their dehumanization, both in their fetish and anti-trans position
Simple as...
It's like, yk, fetishizing le commodite while being anti-union...
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Ok that's more confusing, actually...
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Most living women won't fetishise themselves like anime girls are fetishised. I'm sure that real life "ditzy" and "kawaii" idols are popular, especially amongst chuds.
Another part of it stereotypes. Both in anime and real life, hair colors often have stereotypes. Although in the case of anime, it is usually intentional.
And there is also the place, japan factor that has to be considered.
Ofc
What is the Japan factor, I may ask, for example?
Ohh... that effect... thought it'd be more whacky than that
a lot of slave owners did uh...
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I wonder if it has to do with some sort of power fantasy. Like, you are able to make what you hate submit to you in a “pleasurable” way.
But even with that explanation I still don’t think I can understand the mindset. Maybe someone else can offer a better alternative answer.
Because they have a porn addiction and have already spent hours upon hours scrolling through vanilla porn, it no longer does it for them and they need to find something different to get off. Usually that different thing becomes more and more extreme/alternative porn such as sexual violence, same sex porn even though they have never been attracted to the same sex before their addiction, futa and even child porn.
Fwiw I'd argue that "same sex" and ""futa"" (trans/intersex) porn and sexuality shouldn't be considered extreme or "alternative" in the first place, though I know that wasn't what you were trying to say.
You're right about the mechanism of the addiction though, but I'd also add another thing- these gooners hate cis women as well (though hating on trans and queer people is even easier/more societally promoted yet). And this behavior and hatred long predates modern pornography in any of its forms, sadly.
They're not just "victims of an addiction" - the resentment and dehumanization predates the addiction (which doesn't help). They're simply shitty, bigoted, entitled people, sadly a tale as old as time.
(edit) basically- liking trans/intersex/etc bodies is natural. Liking bodies of the same sex is natural. I don't think it's an "extremity" that drives people to liking such porn (the other things mentioned on the other hand, yes), it simply means they're attracted to other human bodies, it's not an abnormality
You're right, it's not extreme/alternative on its own but it is extreme/alternative for them because of their pre-existing hatred for these things.
True. Though (while this doesn't contradict) I'd argue that they had to have the- inclination, or interest inherent from the start (which is entirely natural and nothing wrong nor extreme- it is their perception of it that is extreme).
*Edit: if you think about it, it would be more absurd and unlikely for someone to, say, only be interested in one extreme or the other of the stereotypical gender spectrum, presentation, or identity. Being a p-do, or liking violent or non-consensual sex- those are all genuine abnormalities and extremities, to which those people with such issues need to control and work against internally- ie. nothing alike.
Some of the most bigoted people are internalizing their own insecurities or self-hatred, for instance. Back as a kid (thankfully when confronted with it I learnt better and rapidly and was decent by 16-17 onwards) I used to be vocally homophobic for instance myself, beyond what even I was raised to be (literally talked about "killing gays and racists..")