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Dealing With October 7: 'Trauma Is Like a Scar, or a Tumor, and It Ripples Out to Friends and Families'

Ilana Kwartin talks about setting up a space to help traumatized victims of October 7 and the war with non-traditional, mind-body methods: 'This is a huge change in our Israeliness. It's not for nothing that the Shin Bet, the Mossad and the police send us their people'

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    2 months ago

    rat-salute-2

    It makes me think, about organizing in other countries to offer an exit strategy for these people. If they are feeling like caged animals having things thrown at them from all sides, then they will be acting in self-defense. OK, even though broadly speaking they're in the wrong, they were born that way and not making the decision to be there.

    I hadn't ever considered that, and I think it's a good idea and worth looking in to. I agree that for many people, whether they're ardent zionists or not, they likely feel trapped with no alternatives but to continue their war. Even if we could just siphon off cowardly zionists who believe in Zionism as long as they're not expected to die for it that would still deprive Israel of labor power and potential soldiers. There's a number of parts in The Art of War where Sun Tzu advocates for subverting your enemies or capturing their forces intact so you can either convert them to your side or make use of them for your own ends. Your thinking is on the same lines as the great strategists of old.

    • glans [it/its]
      hexagon
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      2 months ago

      But does sun tzu have any advice on how to avoid doing operation paperclip?

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 months ago

        I imagine Sun Tzu would 100% support Paperclip it's exactly his kind of deal.

        Kidnapping siege engineers, artisans, and anyone else who seemed useful has been a pretty normal part of warfare for as long as there's been warfare. If the mongols were going to burn your city down and kill everyone in it yelling that you had a useful craft or skill was one of the few ways to be spared.