Criticising the USSR is ok, but trying to equivicate them to the nazis, explicitly or implicitly, is not. For example, saying "The Nazis and soviets were both abhorrent, just for different reasons", is entering Holocaust trivialisation territory, because it reads as implying they were comparable.
its a bad idea to say it in the same breath, because imo comparing the holocaust to something not the holocaust is a form of trivialization, the holocaust was really really bad. even other purely evil genocides were not as mechanized and widespread as the holocaust.
also, you know, everything in our era is not going to be ideal. states exist for a reason, and states can be problematic. but as socialists we have to go for whatever is capable of moving society forward, and states can do that under strict guidance.
lmao are you referencing the Russian Civil War, are you talking about the Central Asian Soviets?
Wow you really need to do some basic research, the strongest pushers for unionization of the soviets equals "occupied" and "invaded" in your head? Do you even know what the White Army was?
Even that old neocon slug Christopher Hitchens celebrated the victory of the Red Army over those murderous fascist cannibals
There's a reason even anti-communtist academics don't like to harp on the civil war period too much, hard to make false equivalences bewteen popular liberatory peasant armies and open and proud foreign backed genociders
I think it got removed because of the context it was posted in. Like asking this question when the topic is the double genocide theory just reads like equivocating between the Nazis and the USSR. Good faith criticism of the USSR is allowed here. But in the context of this thread? Bad look.
Eh, I'll always lean towards giving someone who's totally new to the community a chance to learn and grow before assuming they're coming in bad faith. There's a lot of propaganda out there. I used to think the USSR was "abhorrent" too. Most westerners do. We all start somewhere. I'd have given the new poster a chance to learn before assuming bad faith.
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Criticising the USSR is ok, but trying to equivicate them to the nazis, explicitly or implicitly, is not. For example, saying "The Nazis and soviets were both abhorrent, just for different reasons", is entering Holocaust trivialisation territory, because it reads as implying they were comparable.
its a bad idea to say it in the same breath, because imo comparing the holocaust to something not the holocaust is a form of trivialization, the holocaust was really really bad. even other purely evil genocides were not as mechanized and widespread as the holocaust.
also, you know, everything in our era is not going to be ideal. states exist for a reason, and states can be problematic. but as socialists we have to go for whatever is capable of moving society forward, and states can do that under strict guidance.
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Which ones? The Baltic states? Finland? The ungoverned part of Poland that would've been taken by Nazis otherwise?
that poland pogromized and took from the soviet union not even 10 years prior, mind you
indeed 😔
lmao are you referencing the Russian Civil War, are you talking about the Central Asian Soviets?
Wow you really need to do some basic research, the strongest pushers for unionization of the soviets equals "occupied" and "invaded" in your head? Do you even know what the White Army was?
Even that old neocon slug Christopher Hitchens celebrated the victory of the Red Army over those murderous fascist cannibals
There's a reason even anti-communtist academics don't like to harp on the civil war period too much, hard to make false equivalences bewteen popular liberatory peasant armies and open and proud foreign backed genociders
I think it got removed because of the context it was posted in. Like asking this question when the topic is the double genocide theory just reads like equivocating between the Nazis and the USSR. Good faith criticism of the USSR is allowed here. But in the context of this thread? Bad look.
it wasn't really good-faith criticism anyway, he just called the Soviets "abhorrent" without elaboration
Eh, I'll always lean towards giving someone who's totally new to the community a chance to learn and grow before assuming they're coming in bad faith. There's a lot of propaganda out there. I used to think the USSR was "abhorrent" too. Most westerners do. We all start somewhere. I'd have given the new poster a chance to learn before assuming bad faith.
Which ones?