Yay new friend! Hoping that if defederation does happen some of the other cool people over there, however many they are, decide to make the same switch. Liberal queer people just depress me. I sort of get psychologically how one can get temporarily attached to the idea that the only salvation for queer people is the Democratic party (or whatever the equivalent in their country is). But the reality is, like i posted elsewhere, there is no queer liberation under capitalism. And NATO and neoimperliasm in general uphold the neoliberal capitalist world order.
same. i sometimes wonder if they never had anything bad happen to them and have a rose tinted view of the world, but obviously that isnt always true either. whats the point in trying to be nice to people that wanna rip your guts out?? ill never fathom it beyond calling it stockholm syndrome
its also just... they believe this flowery shit that gets trans people killed in foreign countries. how do they not care?!
Most of them don't realize it activly but subconciously they just want queer westerns to have the capitalist version of "equality" in whatever country they are from and for queer people to have their share of the plunder. In my experience with them its not actively, cognizant malicious but thats what drives it in the end.
I do think part of it as well is being trapped in the Overton window, where the Democrats or whatever their country's equivalent is are the only socially accepted method of liberating queer people. As has been commented before, thats what "The left" is. I mean I certainly believed that at one point. So they cling to that out of fear of the outright fascists and think that voting for left-liberals is the only way to stop them. Its a fear response, and tbh a sort of understandable one. But when your reaction to seeing a better path to TRUE liberation is to violently reject it and close your ears, my sympathy starts to stop.
Probably an element of internalized assimilationism as well.
yeah ive always been a commie of some variety (and sometimes not describing myself as anything because i had a period of misanthropy where i hated everyone), so its a view that is extremely hard for me to understand
I'm definitely an ex-liberal so I get the mindset to an extent but like, it didn't take me very long after exposure to communism to accept it as better. Accepting anti-imperialism was a bit harder admittedly it took a few struggles but I got there.
Yay new friend! Hoping that if defederation does happen some of the other cool people over there, however many they are, decide to make the same switch. Liberal queer people just depress me. I sort of get psychologically how one can get temporarily attached to the idea that the only salvation for queer people is the Democratic party (or whatever the equivalent in their country is). But the reality is, like i posted elsewhere, there is no queer liberation under capitalism. And NATO and neoimperliasm in general uphold the neoliberal capitalist world order.
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same. i sometimes wonder if they never had anything bad happen to them and have a rose tinted view of the world, but obviously that isnt always true either. whats the point in trying to be nice to people that wanna rip your guts out?? ill never fathom it beyond calling it stockholm syndrome
its also just... they believe this flowery shit that gets trans people killed in foreign countries. how do they not care?!
Most of them don't realize it activly but subconciously they just want queer westerns to have the capitalist version of "equality" in whatever country they are from and for queer people to have their share of the plunder. In my experience with them its not actively, cognizant malicious but thats what drives it in the end.
I do think part of it as well is being trapped in the Overton window, where the Democrats or whatever their country's equivalent is are the only socially accepted method of liberating queer people. As has been commented before, thats what "The left" is. I mean I certainly believed that at one point. So they cling to that out of fear of the outright fascists and think that voting for left-liberals is the only way to stop them. Its a fear response, and tbh a sort of understandable one. But when your reaction to seeing a better path to TRUE liberation is to violently reject it and close your ears, my sympathy starts to stop.
Probably an element of internalized assimilationism as well.
yeah ive always been a commie of some variety (and sometimes not describing myself as anything because i had a period of misanthropy where i hated everyone), so its a view that is extremely hard for me to understand
I'm definitely an ex-liberal so I get the mindset to an extent but like, it didn't take me very long after exposure to communism to accept it as better. Accepting anti-imperialism was a bit harder admittedly it took a few struggles but I got there.