Just out of curiosity. I don't have a real need for this.
So I've been trying to find info on my great-grandparents but after snooping around in ancestry.com and familysearch.com I realise there are no records for any of my parents, grandparents or great grandparents online. At least not on those sites.
And so I'm here wondering, what happened with those records? Anyone had any luck searching elsewhere? I've tried googling the names and nothing comes up either. Hooray for privacy I guess?
It's fucked up, but you could try the Mormons. They do this thing, retroactive conversion, so someone becomes Mormon, and they go back and make all that person's ancestors "Mormon". So they have incredibly good ancestry records. Just a thought.
ancestry.com is mormon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry.com#1983)
wouldn't be surprised if many other such resources also are. for the exact reasons as you explain. these people love "converting" the dead to their religion. they offer much less resistance than the living.
Tracking dead people to do "baptisms for the dead", they call it, is legit one of their favorite pastimes.
Idk the exact numbers but iirc Hitler got baptized like 40 times before they put his name on the no-go list.
And it's like 14 year olds that they have getting baptized over and over for the dead names.
And while they're waiting they get to watch Johnny Lingo and similar garbage.
But yeah if you know any Mormons their databases are probably a good place to start
It depends on where they were from. If the big repositories don't have the data (and you have clearly tried them) then:
- The data may have been destroyed or never written down. I am ¾ Irish but landing any of my ancestors in Ireland has been hard. The records burned in 1916 and, in some areas, there are gaps during the Potato Famine when no-one was around to write things down. One of my best DNA matches on my Mum's side falls foul of the latter as we have matching surnames and know pretty much when and where our connection would be but the parish records just stopped in that period.
- It's not in English. They are doing their best to fill such gaps but adding translation in can be hard. There are often regional family record offices but they may be in a language you don't speak (I'm having trouble tracing my sister-in-law's grandmother who was born in Estonia. I am also helping a friend whose grandfather was born in Malaysia and it is tricky even working out where to look). Scandinavian genealogy tends to be excellent, but you may need access to the "farm books" where the records are kept.
- It's paywalled elsewhere - Scottish records need you to subscribe to a specific site.
- The names are badly transcribed - the British record keepers clearly struggled with some Irish names especially when being told them by illiterate peasants (possibly not helped by some being in Gaelic). I have one family whose name is written over a dozen different ways and it can be hard piecing it together. The names settle down after a bit (there was a big push for literacy in the late 19th Century) but there are two branches of the family that ended up with two different spellings of their surname.
Or any other issues. Without details it is tricky to point you in any specific direction.
If you hit a wall, try DNA.
My family tree has Latin American, Spanish and Italian roots. The Italian part before emigration is easy, but anybody else is invisible
Yeah, that's tricky - I have Italian DNA matches (although they go back to the late Bronze Age) and my cousin married an Italian woman, so have had a nose around some Italian family trees and they seem to have solid records. I don't know about Spanish or South American records.
Going by this discussion (warning: it's on The Bad Place) (see also this discussion), there are good Spanish records but you'd need to talk to someone with expertise on where to look for the specific records you need. It may be worth tracking down Spanish language genealogy sites or try general ones and see who you can find - I have great luck with RootsChat who have a Europe board on their forum (although I was mainly after British help).
Yeah, it's not Spain but Argentina which is absolute chaos. I'm 99% confident the records are still on paper and getting chewed by rats in some moldy basement. It's OK.
