Let's not pertend that this is because China has socialized housing. They used to do decades ago, but it has been abolished for a long time. Although they do have affordable housing program like most of the city in the U.S.
In fact, China has one of the highest home price to income ratio (ratio of median apartment prices to median familial disposable income, expressed as years of income) in the world: https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_country.jsp . Chinese people will need 30 years of disposible income to purchase an apartment; compare to 3 in the U.S., 7 in Netherland, 11 in France, and 9 in U.K.
Apartments in Beijing can easily cost double than a major U.S. city, while people in Beijing earn half as much.
Here is a popular real estate website listing the previously-owned property (2bedroom between 90-120 m²) on the market in Beijing: https://m.ke.com/bj/ershoufang/l2a4 most of them are around 5000k RMB, which translates to 700k USD for 2b apartments.
On the other hand, Beijing median monthly salary is 1548 USD (https://teamedupchina.com/average-salary-in-beijing/#Beijing_Salary_Data_Zhilian_Zhaopin), which translates to 10$ per hour assuming a 5 day work week and 4 week work month.
The high home ownership rate is likely due to a mix of false report and saving culture. In China, parents typically have a good amount of saving to provide their child (singleton because one-child policy) a home upon their marriage etc. This also explains why Beijing rent price is much lower than major cities in the U.S., despite its high housing price.
Chinese people will need 30 years of disposible income to purchase an apartment; compare to 3 in the U.S.
Who can afford a condo with 3 years disposable income in the US? My spouse and I make above average money in a below average cost city and we couldn't afford a condo here.
Honestly, I am quite surprised how low tankies are willing to go to defend China. As a Chinese, it is very disheartening to me that people have never experienced or seen the suffering of living under an authoritarian government, are more willing to blindly defend it, than having a intellectual discussion.
Compare the prison population of the US to China's lol.
It is hard to imagine that an adult talks like this. People points out most Chinese own homes, as if it is some policies that the west can learn from. I pointed out the stats that proved it is more about culture than China's housing market.
Yet you are here just side stepping every way, accusing unrelated stuff, just to defend the CCP. I used to think people here who worship CCP are just misinformed, but you have proved that you are simply vile and obsessed.
It is totally okay with me that there are grown adults who have the mind of a teenager; I just feel dishearten about other people misled by your propaganda, simply because they, in their good nature, decides to trust your posts and comments.
There is no point in continuing this discussion, since you clearly are not in good faith and are just trolling around. I hope you feel good about yourself one day and start having proper conversations.
OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml did. Oh wait, they didn't paste the specific numbers that are both widely known and readily available, able to be found within a few seconds using search engine, they only referenced them. My mistake, I had assumed you were capable of doing that. But since you're not:
Honestly, I am quite surprised how low tankies are willing to go to defend China. As a Chinese, it is very disheartening to me that people have never experienced or seen the suffering of living under an authoritarian government, are more willing to blindly defend it
There are literally some "tankies" on hexbear that are in China and posting from China right now. @Flyberius@hexbear.net. There are some users here who are Chinese and grew up there (not sure if they'd want to be tagged though). There are journalists who decided to go live there in part because of how much more freedom they are afforded there, people like Ben Norton, who you would probably also label a "tankie." All of whom can attest to how baseless and sinophobic all the fabricated "suffering of living under an authoritarian government" stories really are. We aren't all just clueless westerners, but your assumption that we are is also telling.
There are certainly different people with different preferences, and most Chinese people are indeed fine with CCP. A dictatorship has an obvious need to maintain many nationalist, so it is not surprising that you can find Chinese who loves CCP.
Many people are more than willing to turn a blind eye on all the artists, journalist, and lawyer, who were arrested, since it has nothing to do when them. This is a emotional topics for me, because one of my highschool classmate has been seperated from her father, for he was advocating more transparent laws and enforcement.
There are plenty of Chinese mastodon instance, like https://douchi.space/explore, https://mstdn.moe/about, https://m.cmx.im/explore. Go there talk to them and see what they think.
Of course, you don't need to believe me, or people on mastodon, or journalist from all "mainstream media"; and just trust people on hexbear. But that will likely be no different from people who only believe fox news and infowars.
There are certainly different people with different preferences, and most Chinese people are indeed fine with CCP. A dictatorship has an obvious need to maintain many nationalist, so it is not surprising that you can find Chinese who loves CCP.
Lol "it's no surprise the vast majority of people approve of and appreciate their government, since a dictatorship has to be maintained." Yeah, what an awful, terrible dictatorship that rules with such an iron fist that it forced the approval and support of over 90% of the population. Clearly, in any real democracy, everyone hates their government, like the in the US. You sinophobic liberals are such a transparent joke.
Many people are more than willing to turn a blind eye on all the artists, journalist, and lawyer, who were arrested, since it has nothing to do when them. This is a emotional topics for me, because one of my highschool classmate has been seperated from her father, for he was advocating more transparent laws and enforcement.
And the lead protesters in the US who advocated for... the state to stop murdering black people openly in the street were themselves murdered and disappeared. It's an emotional topic for me since people I knew in school were beaten half to death and permanently blinded by the police. The US is an infinitely more heinous dictatorship than China, violently suppressing anyone it deems a threat, while pretending they have "freedom" because they don't crack down on the ones that are of no threat.
There are plenty of Chinese mastodon instance. Go there talk to them and see what they think.
I don't need to, I can and do talk to plenty of people from and currently in China. Even a few irl!
Of course, you don't need to believe me, or people on mastodon, or journalist from all "mainstream media"; and just trust people on hexbear. But that will likely be no different from people who only believe fox news and infowars.
It's not about trusting people on hexbear, it's about trusting the population of China, which again has overwhelming support for the CPC. It's also about being able to plainly see what the CPC does both domestically and internationally. I trust the Chinese people.
70% of Chinese Millennials are homeowners
China's overall homeownership rates
Reached 90% in 2018
Let's not pertend that this is because China has socialized housing. They used to do decades ago, but it has been abolished for a long time. Although they do have affordable housing program like most of the city in the U.S.
In fact, China has one of the highest home price to income ratio (ratio of median apartment prices to median familial disposable income, expressed as years of income) in the world: https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_country.jsp . Chinese people will need 30 years of disposible income to purchase an apartment; compare to 3 in the U.S., 7 in Netherland, 11 in France, and 9 in U.K.
Apartments in Beijing can easily cost double than a major U.S. city, while people in Beijing earn half as much. Here is a popular real estate website listing the previously-owned property (2bedroom between 90-120 m²) on the market in Beijing: https://m.ke.com/bj/ershoufang/l2a4 most of them are around 5000k RMB, which translates to 700k USD for 2b apartments. On the other hand, Beijing median monthly salary is 1548 USD (https://teamedupchina.com/average-salary-in-beijing/#Beijing_Salary_Data_Zhilian_Zhaopin), which translates to 10$ per hour assuming a 5 day work week and 4 week work month.
The high home ownership rate is likely due to a mix of false report and saving culture. In China, parents typically have a good amount of saving to provide their child (singleton because one-child policy) a home upon their marriage etc. This also explains why Beijing rent price is much lower than major cities in the U.S., despite its high housing price.
Who can afford a condo with 3 years disposable income in the US? My spouse and I make above average money in a below average cost city and we couldn't afford a condo here.
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Well ain't that a shit definition then
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Compare the prison population of the US to China's lol.
It is hard to imagine that an adult talks like this. People points out most Chinese own homes, as if it is some policies that the west can learn from. I pointed out the stats that proved it is more about culture than China's housing market.
Yet you are here just side stepping every way, accusing unrelated stuff, just to defend the CCP. I used to think people here who worship CCP are just misinformed, but you have proved that you are simply vile and obsessed.
It is totally okay with me that there are grown adults who have the mind of a teenager; I just feel dishearten about other people misled by your propaganda, simply because they, in their good nature, decides to trust your posts and comments.
There is no point in continuing this discussion, since you clearly are not in good faith and are just trolling around. I hope you feel good about yourself one day and start having proper conversations.
See you in my block list. Bye.
Looks like someone couldn't handle some actual statistics when presented with them.
Sorry, who presented any statistics here?
OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml did. Oh wait, they didn't paste the specific numbers that are both widely known and readily available, able to be found within a few seconds using search engine, they only referenced them. My mistake, I had assumed you were capable of doing that. But since you're not:
World Incarceration Rates If Every U.S. State Were A Country
There are literally some "tankies" on hexbear that are in China and posting from China right now. @Flyberius@hexbear.net. There are some users here who are Chinese and grew up there (not sure if they'd want to be tagged though). There are journalists who decided to go live there in part because of how much more freedom they are afforded there, people like Ben Norton, who you would probably also label a "tankie." All of whom can attest to how baseless and sinophobic all the fabricated "suffering of living under an authoritarian government" stories really are. We aren't all just clueless westerners, but your assumption that we are is also telling.
I'm eating breakfast in Chengdu. I'm so oppressed right now.
There are certainly different people with different preferences, and most Chinese people are indeed fine with CCP. A dictatorship has an obvious need to maintain many nationalist, so it is not surprising that you can find Chinese who loves CCP.
Many people are more than willing to turn a blind eye on all the artists, journalist, and lawyer, who were arrested, since it has nothing to do when them. This is a emotional topics for me, because one of my highschool classmate has been seperated from her father, for he was advocating more transparent laws and enforcement.
There are plenty of Chinese mastodon instance, like https://douchi.space/explore, https://mstdn.moe/about, https://m.cmx.im/explore. Go there talk to them and see what they think.
Of course, you don't need to believe me, or people on mastodon, or journalist from all "mainstream media"; and just trust people on hexbear. But that will likely be no different from people who only believe fox news and infowars.
Lol "it's no surprise the vast majority of people approve of and appreciate their government, since a dictatorship has to be maintained." Yeah, what an awful, terrible dictatorship that rules with such an iron fist that it forced the approval and support of over 90% of the population. Clearly, in any real democracy, everyone hates their government, like the in the US. You sinophobic liberals are such a transparent joke.
And the lead protesters in the US who advocated for... the state to stop murdering black people openly in the street were themselves murdered and disappeared. It's an emotional topic for me since people I knew in school were beaten half to death and permanently blinded by the police. The US is an infinitely more heinous dictatorship than China, violently suppressing anyone it deems a threat, while pretending they have "freedom" because they don't crack down on the ones that are of no threat.
I don't need to, I can and do talk to plenty of people from and currently in China. Even a few irl!
It's not about trusting people on hexbear, it's about trusting the population of China, which again has overwhelming support for the CPC. It's also about being able to plainly see what the CPC does both domestically and internationally. I trust the Chinese people.