What I was thinking too. X-tard is ableist and plain dumb. I wish we could actually read the post and comments, though, because it's hard to tell what OP was really saying. Is he claiming that dissing on MLs is racist? Hard to say, but if he is that's ridiculous
no, that dismissing all MLs as tankies has a tendency to erase the real liberatory movements of the global south. criticizing the politics is fine, but applying a hard line against tankies means excluding a vast swath of people who aren't white and don't speak English. he's calling for left unity.
I can’t even parse this. I read your comment as saying that criticizing “tankies” (whatever that means these days) is not ok because some people, who are left but might not be Tankies, are not white and don’t speak English.
The point is that the vast majority of national liberation movements in the Global South against colonialism and imperialism were led by and performed by huge amounts of popular tankies. Liberal movements quite often claim to have ended colonialism and apartheid and stuff, but a better analysis of it is that liberals accepted these results once it was more profitable to stop investing money in maintaining the horrors DUE to global southern tankies resisting and doing organized violence to end it.
Dismissing all tankies with a simple word is really condescending to the vast majority of the world who is only even possibly liberated from direct colony due to these radicals. And it's possibly racist considering it upholds the idea that these global southerners are structurally 'lesser" for needing to resort to such "authoritarianism" to progress out of their suffering. Maybe not racist in the individualized way, but in the way that allows the propogation of inequalities which reify those things: yes it is.
Is he claiming that dissing on MLs is racist? Hard to say, but if he is that's ridiculous
That’s how I read it anyway. And while it’s not completely out there, I’ve seen these arguments show up a lot lately and definitely not always when it would have been a natural course for the conversation to take.
Apparently some people really like this particular talking point, and interaction be damned.
What I was thinking too. X-tard is ableist and plain dumb. I wish we could actually read the post and comments, though, because it's hard to tell what OP was really saying. Is he claiming that dissing on MLs is racist? Hard to say, but if he is that's ridiculous
no, that dismissing all MLs as tankies has a tendency to erase the real liberatory movements of the global south. criticizing the politics is fine, but applying a hard line against tankies means excluding a vast swath of people who aren't white and don't speak English. he's calling for left unity.
I can’t even parse this. I read your comment as saying that criticizing “tankies” (whatever that means these days) is not ok because some people, who are left but might not be Tankies, are not white and don’t speak English.
That can’t be right.
The point is that the vast majority of national liberation movements in the Global South against colonialism and imperialism were led by and performed by huge amounts of popular tankies. Liberal movements quite often claim to have ended colonialism and apartheid and stuff, but a better analysis of it is that liberals accepted these results once it was more profitable to stop investing money in maintaining the horrors DUE to global southern tankies resisting and doing organized violence to end it.
Dismissing all tankies with a simple word is really condescending to the vast majority of the world who is only even possibly liberated from direct colony due to these radicals. And it's possibly racist considering it upholds the idea that these global southerners are structurally 'lesser" for needing to resort to such "authoritarianism" to progress out of their suffering. Maybe not racist in the individualized way, but in the way that allows the propogation of inequalities which reify those things: yes it is.
That’s how I read it anyway. And while it’s not completely out there, I’ve seen these arguments show up a lot lately and definitely not always when it would have been a natural course for the conversation to take.
Apparently some people really like this particular talking point, and interaction be damned.
Often times it is. I say this because I have indigenous comrades that face that shit all the time.
I also included that one because the removal reason is using the same ableist language I pointed out in the first one.