This isn't my effort post so it might be against the rules. I'm just linking and copying two posts from subreddits that have compiled all that has happened over the past week.
First, here's a thread of all recent H3 controversies, sorted by date. There is a lot in there, so I'll be copying the ones related to this topic.
October 15th
Ethan says 100% of the Jews he knows are struggling after Oct 7th and says Zionist is a slur
Ethan posts about defending "antisemitic terrorists"
October 16th
Ethan makes a video dedicated to canceling and de-platforming Hasan Piker, admits he wants to deplatform Hasan on Twitch for "interviewing a terrorist", and shows an unlisted clip of Hasan titled "HamasAbi"
October 17th
Hasan says Ethan is too focused on his personal feelings and calls him self-centered
Ethan calls Hasan's stream "vile embarrassing trash"
October 19th
Ethan posts video titled, "Twitch has a major problem"
Frogan provides context for the "Habbibi pass" tier list - A bunch of Arab streamers made a tier list on who had the Habbibi pass, the controversy was around the lowest tier which was titled ' Loves Sabra' i.e. likes Sabra hummus. Ethan claims this is antisemitic and a dog-whistle about Jewish people.
Ethan posts about Yahya Sinwar
October 20th
Frogan responds to Ethan's claims around hummus/"Loves Sabra"
Hasan debunks the Hummus/Sabra debate, says it's NOT antisemitism
October 21st
H3 Podcast covers Twitch, Frogan and antisemitism, says Twitch CEO Dan Clancy must resign and puts Nazi Symbols on Twitch CEO in his YouTube thumbnail
He successfully gets the Arab streamers banned off Twitch.
October 22nd
Ethan posts video titled 'I Won't Let Hasan Piker Lie About Me To His Audience, then lies about not knowing Destiny, says the Left is eating itself
Ethan claims he "conceded" on far-left ideals such as letting the Palestinians have a state
October 23rd
Hasan calls Ethan Islamophobic
Ethan makes an instagram story about nmplol
Hasan says Rashid is not a terrorist, just like Hila is not a terrorist
Hila admitted to raiding homes in Ramallah and move from her assigned desk job into combat roles because she was “bored”. BadEmpanada HAS MADE a video titled 'Hila Klein is a Terrorist' due to her time in the IDF where she asked to be transferred to the Israeli-occupied West Bank, performed logistical duties for the IDF terrorist organization, and volunteered to tag along during an IDF terrorist attack against a Palestinian house in Ramallah.
Ethan targets Emma from Majority Report - LINK 1, LINK 2, LINK 3, LINK 4
Second, here is a thread correcting the misinformation Ethan spread about Hasan
Mods never added this emoji I made for exactly this sort of situation
Hasan attended the anti-DNC protests. Dozens of people approached him to say that he inspired them to attend the pro-palestinian protests and to become an activist. Besides a few destiny fan stream snipers, there was only one person at the protest who had a disagreement with Hasan. Hasan said while he doesn't agree with that person for disliking him, he respects the person for attending the pro-Palestinian protest. You don't have to like Hasan. You don't have to like streamers. The point is that you should do the right things. Hasan inspires people to do the right things.
This post isn't even just about Hasan. It's about zionists trying to silence every pro-Palestinian voice on the internet. There was even a segment aired on banning pro-Palestinian voices from twitch on Israel state-owned television.
Thank you for telling me this lore. Is there a fan wiki where I could learn more Hasan facts?
" 'thoughts on this guy being a tankie?' I hope he drives a tank over your house
He said america deserved 9/11 a few years back
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
While I'm sure you could learn about Hasan and his community on their discord server or their subreddit, I don't think that is important. I think it is more important to adopt the same principle that Hasan has applied to other people. It would be a much better use of your time to go attend an anti-Zionism demonstration, than it is to complain about streamers or to learn factoids about Hasan. The principle is that you shouldn't obsess over purity testing. To have an actual political movement, you have to be charitable to people who may only agree with you 90% of the time or you may not even like them on a personal level. Constant purity testing is the fastest way to destroy a movement.
The genocidal state of Israel wants to have Hasan and every other anti-Zionist person kicked off of the internet. There was an actual news segment on Israel state-owned media (in hebrew), 2 days ago, accusing Twitch of being antisemitic for allowing Pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist accounts on the website. The TV host said that he was big fan of Destiny on air on public television. This seems like evidence to me that the Israeli state is trying to pressure Twitch into doing censorship of anti-Zionism. If you see Israel trying to silence anti-Zionist streamers and your response is "yeah I hate streamers too", then you're taking the side of Israel.
I may not agree with you on everything but if Israel, but if Israel was trying to kick you or any other user of Hexbear off of the internet, then I would put differences aside. Opposition to a genocidal apartheid state is more important than personal grievances or smaller disagreements. You don't have to like or 100% agree with every person that you have solidarity with.
The streamer I hate here is Ethan Klein, so I really don't know why you're telling me all this stuff. Hasan seems fine ig, for a streamer, except of course he had a show with the open fascist he's now feuding with
In your other post you wrote "All streamers are bad, sorry friends. The demands of the attention economy and monetization are directly in conflict with having principles and good takes." I wrote what I wrote to explain that Hasan has had enough influence on the growing of the anti-Zionism movement, convincing people to be anti-Zionist, that the state of Israel is trying to have him kicked off the internet.
Ethan is a scratched liberal. While Hasan was making a podcast with Ethan, Hasan knew that Ethan was a liberal. The point of the podcast was to talk to Ethan about Marxism and Leftism as a way to convince Ethan's audience to not be liberals and to teach them about socialism. I actually met a guy who had been a fan of Ethan and told me that he had been turned on to the ideas of socialism from listening to that podcast. So in the sense that their podcast convinced some of the audience to having socialist principles, I think it was a success.
I see. I was a bit confused, since apparently you were responding to my other comment in the thread.
If you want to know why I think streamers are bad generally, you can look no further than the way that an ideological conflict over Palestine instantly becomes subsumed into personal drama, fandom, and is ultimately monetized by all sides as attention is drawn to it. Not only by the primary participants but by the entire ecosystem of drama recappers and other bottom feeders. So that instead of talking about Palestine we are talking about whether Hasan is good or not. And believe me when I say that I don't care in the slightest. The structural incentives of his line of work will limit his effectiveness and ideological range in the long term. He will ultimately have to choose between material success and ideological rectitude. And this conversation will feel as embarrassing in hindsight as people who were ride or die for AOC in 2017
Also I don't believe for a second that this Zionist freak was cool before October 7th of last year lol. They saw there was money to be made
When did I say that you have to like Hasan or that you have to believe Hasan is good? Please reread my posts. I said you don't have to like him. I said you don't have to learn about him. You are the one who is making it about personal drama. You are making this about hating streamers. I am trying to explain to you that Israel has a larger project of silencing every anti-Zionist person on the internet, including on twitch. You are the one changing the subject from Israel trying to hide it's crimes to your own personal grievances.
// Twitch 30-day banned 5 prominent channels this week for being expressing anti-Zionist views. Two of the 5 banned streamers have family living in Lebanon right now being bombed by Israel.
I posted an emoji lol, not an invitation for you to start a lengthy conversation with me about Hasan. Please examine your parasocial attachment to the streamer you appear have an encyclopedic knowledge about
I'll never get why people are so personally invested in these streamers. I remember there was some massive struggle session here over BadEmpanada vs another streamer (Hasan? Vaush? or some other rando) as the stans of their respective streamers duke it out in some terminally online parody of a turf war. These stans are very cringey and very transparent about their parasocial relationship.
At the end of the day, Hasan, Contra, Vaush, BadEmpanada, et al are just entertainers. They're not organizers. They're not theorists. At best, they'll occasionally release decent video essays and occasionally get their stans to donate to some worthy cause through some charity stream. We should always be open to getting people on our side, but the stans trying to compare Hasan to Engels or Che or Hampton need to get a fucking grip. Hasan's not even on Parenti's level, who himself is nowhere close to a Hampton or a Newton or a Che. Hasan is more like a George Carlin, an entertainer with progressive values who's able to plant seeds that will occasionally bear fruit but still just an entertainer in the end.
you're right, but i have a box labelled Good E-Celebs and another labelled Bad E-Celebs, and I know which one each of those people goes in, and this is very important
People idolise random famous people all the time. If you watch hasan’s streams everyday you will develop some sort of parasocial relationship with him and get defensive when people criticise him unfairly. That’s why people get personally invested. I haven’t seen anyone claim he’s some kind of revolutionary, he’s just an entertainer who has some good takes and who radicalises some libs.