I know these federated communities exist as well as raddle, but it still seems like most people will stay on toxic and corporate-run platforms like reddit or Twitter. I'm far from perfect myself and I still use reddit sometimes, especially for more niche communities, but when it comes to ideologically strong communities like the anarchist ones, it just feels wrong that the majority still hang out on reddit. Or you know, moving to something like Bsky when Twitter became too toxic but which is still run by a large, for-profit corporation (if they moved in the first place). What are your thoughts? Is there any justification for this?

  • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    Most online anarchists aren't anarchists at all. They neither read anarchist theory, do anything IRL, nor adhere to basic anarchist principals - because they don't know what they are, they just know memes and a skimming of Kropotkin. They also define themselves through a liberal-filtered understanding if what they are not, rather than who they are and what they are working towards.

    If you do organizing work IRL you will meet actual anarchists and they are much cooler as they are not just LARPing liberals that happened upon an aesthetic that lets them pretend to be radical while acting virtually perfectly in line with the status quo.

    Funny enough, the highest concentration of actual anarchists I've seen is on hexbear, a place another commenter said would be offputting to anarchists. Perhaps they are thinking of the "anarchists" that just watch YouTube videos to get angry at "the tankies" based on a misunderstanding of history in the 1920s and never saw a NATO putsch they couldn't defend.

    • Yingwu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      2 months ago

      I don't really engage that much in anarchist debates on the net but I feel that it's nice to have an internet community surrounded by like-minded as well. There are spaces near me, but there aren't really that many anarchists around. Most are state socialists in one form or another. I don't mind hanging out with them, but at the same time I'm not a big believer in "left unity". If it matters I'm not based in the US where the scene might be a lot different.

      • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        Of course, there is nothing wrong with having a group of more like-minded people to have as a home base. Well I said nothing wrong, but I think it is actually very good to have such a space. While we have more power in unity, it is important to develop identity and improve positions through comparison to what we are not, or at least through critique, and that is easier to do if you get together with your closest-minded comrades. This begins to define who you are vs. who everyone else is and you can begin to experiment through the improved capacity for unity in action via consensus, whereas you may be pretty limited in action in coalitions or similar spaces.

        Left unity is very important, though. It does not need to be complete, but we are much stronger together. Coalition building is essential to achieving anything when the left is as small as it is in most places. To disregard it is to massively limit the scale at which an action can be realized, sometimes the difference between mobilizing hundreds of people vs. 5 and the difference between having full cover for a very legal direct action wink wink and being completely exposed to police surveillance.

        I'm sure where you are is both different and similar to the US in various ways. Capitalism is global and the police state with it.

      • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        It's true, you should go ask on their anarchism comm. You will find delightful and well-read people.

    • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      2 months ago

      Yeah it's really not great, I've seen a lot of bad stuff over there. Thankfully it's much more inactive now, and they can't reach anyone else since they're voluntarily not federated.

  • TheDoctor [they/them]
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    2 months ago

    I don’t think it’s an ideological choice for most people. Use of social media is largely habitual and people are just sticky with their platforms. We see influxes of users when other platforms are down for extended periods of time and when one of them does some kind of ideological purge.

  • SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 months ago

    Town square vs a bush behind the abandoned lighthouse.

    Lemmy doesn't have a large userbase. The few that moved I feel are dedicated here. Most people won't know what Lemmy is if you ask them or what federated social media is. Alternates aren't viable for most people.

  • shastaxc@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    Damn those anarchists, never doing what I think they should! Why can't they just follow the rules!?