• Lamps@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    Just takes one student with a screen reader to get screwed over lol

  • ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 months ago

    My college workflow was to copy the prompt and then "paste without formatting" in Word and leave that copy of the prompt at the top while I worked, I would absolutely have fallen for this. :P

    • CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      I mean, if your instructions were to quote some random name which does not exist, maybe you would ask your professor and he'd tell you not to pay attention to that part

  • Navarian@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    For those that didn't see the rest of this tweet, Frankie Hawkes is in fact a dog. A pretty cute dog, for what it's worth.

  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    Btw, this is an old trick to cheat the automated CV processing, which doesn't work anymore in most cases.

  • UlyssesT
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    2 months ago

    deleted by creator

    • fossilesque@mander.xyz
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      I have lots of ethical issues with ai which is why I'm so angry about prohibitions. They need to teach you guys how to use it and where you shouldn't. It's a calculator and can be a good tool. Force them to adapt.

  • lil_tank [any, he/him]
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    2 months ago

    Hot take if you can't distinguish a student's paper from a GPT generated one you're teaching in a deeply unserious place

    • medgremlin@midwest.social
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      2 months ago

      Tell me you haven't reviewed classmates' papers without telling me you haven't reviewed classmates' papers.

      Some of the papers I've read from my classmates make me wonder how they got out of high school, let alone into university or (!!) medical school. There are a lot of people who cannot write decently to save their lives that are still somehow in academia.

      • The_sleepy_woke_dialectic [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        This is me. Writing gave me so much anxiety in HS and I really should have started keeping a journal or something but I didn't. I devoured books as a kid but still I struggled with putting ideas on paper. Once got so upset at a boyscout event where I had to write an essay for a merit badge that I threw up.

        I can write a comment or even effort-post just fine, and I can type 100 wpm, it's just something about structured writing that makes me feel Ill.

        • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          I can write a comment or even effort-post just fine, and I can type 100 wpm

          Sure, because these are things that meaningful and worth the effort for you.

          it’s just something about structured writing that makes me feel Ill.

          It's probably because the topic is contrived, the assignment is meaningless, and the point is filtering out people instead of education them.

      • lil_tank [any, he/him]
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        2 months ago

        Some of the papers I've read from my classmates make me wonder how they got out of high school,

        Not beating the allegations about unseriouness

        spoiler

        Just to be clear, I'm totally shitposting

      • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        2 months ago

        There are lots of people who are bad at long tedious multiplications but still work productively in math, science, engineering, etc.

        That's the point of computational tools.

        • medgremlin@midwest.social
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          2 months ago

          Generative AI like ChatGPT is absolutely useless for anything besides maybe making summaries. Humans use language as a default method of communication, and if you are trying to produce academic work, the onus is on you to learn how to use language effectively. These heaps of algorithms and marketing exclusively hallucinate and plagiarize, both of which are absolutely unacceptable in academia (and should be unacceptable in society at large, in my opinion.)

    • Puffin [any, they/them]
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      2 months ago

      I don't think this is true, depending on the task they can be extremely hard to spot. You especially don't want to accuse a student of cheating using AI without very concrete evidence.

      • tweeks@feddit.nl
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        2 months ago

        If you say that I assume you either only used older services or your prompt skills are lacking.

        ChatGPT 4 is really advanced and can create long coherent fluid texts (with source references). You can also ask it to write as a student or any other target and it will match writing styles quite well.

  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 months ago

    This is invisible on paper but readable if uploaded to chatGPT.

    This sounds fake. It seems like only the most careless students wouldn't notice this "hidden" prompt or the quote from the dog.

    Maybe if homework can be done by statistics, then it's not worth doing.

    Maybe if a "teacher" has to trick their students in order to enforce pointless manual labor, then it's not worth doing.

    Schools are not about education but about privilege, filtering, indoctrination, control, etc.

    • ArchRecord@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      Schools are not about education but about privilege, filtering, indoctrination, control, etc.

      Many people attending school, primarily higher education like college, are privileged because education costs money, and those with more money are often more privileged. That does not mean school itself is about privilege, it means people with privilege can afford to attend it more easily. Of course, grants, scholarships, and savings still exist, and help many people afford education.

      "Filtering" doesn't exactly provide enough context to make sense in this argument.

      Indoctrination, if we go by the definition that defines it as teaching someone to accept a doctrine uncritically, is the opposite of what most educational institutions teach. If you understood how much effort goes into teaching critical thought as a skill to be used within and outside of education, you'd likely see how this doesn't make much sense. Furthermore, the heavily diverse range of beliefs, people, and viewpoints on campuses often provides a more well-rounded, diverse understanding of the world, and of the people's views within it, than a non-educational background can.

      "Control" is just another fearmongering word. What control, exactly? How is it being applied?

      Maybe if a “teacher” has to trick their students in order to enforce pointless manual labor, then it’s not worth doing.

      They're not tricking students, they're tricking LLMs that students are using to get out of doing the work required of them to get a degree. The entire point of a degree is to signify that you understand the skills and topics required for a particular field. If you don't want to actually get the knowledge signified by the degree, then you can put "I use ChatGPT and it does just as good" on your resume, and see if employers value that the same.

      Maybe if homework can be done by statistics, then it’s not worth doing.

      All math homework can be done by a calculator. All the writing courses I did throughout elementary and middle school would have likely graded me higher if I'd used a modern LLM. All the history assignment's questions could have been answered with access to Wikipedia.

      But if I'd done that, I wouldn't know math, I would know no history, and I wouldn't be able to properly write any long-form content.

      Even when technology exists that can replace functions the human brain can do, we don't just sacrifice all attempts to use the knowledge ourselves because this machine can do it better, because without that, we would be limiting our future potential.

      This sounds fake. It seems like only the most careless students wouldn’t notice this “hidden” prompt or the quote from the dog.

      The prompt is likely colored the same as the page to make it visually invisible to the human eye upon first inspection.

      And I'm sorry to say, but often times, the students who are the most careless, unwilling to even check work, and simply incapable of doing work themselves, are usually the same ones who use ChatGPT, and don't even proofread the output.

    • Goodman@discuss.tchncs.de
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      2 months ago

      It does feel like some teachers are a bit unimaginative in their method of assessment. If you have to write multiple opinion pieces, essays or portfolios every single week it becomes difficult not to reach for a chatbot. I don't agree with your last point on indoctrination, but that is something that I would like to see changed.

  • Engywuck@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    I don't get it (not a native English speaker). Someone cares to ELI5? Thanks a lot in advance.

    Edit: thank you everybody for explaining :-)

    • propter_hog [any, any]
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      2 months ago

      A lot of students have started using ChatGPT to write papers for them. This person is saying they leave directions for an AI text generator in their directions that are hidden from view but which would be observable to the AI scanning it. So any paper turned in with that specific alteration would be almost certainly from a cheater.

    • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 months ago

      The professor hides white text on a white background to catch potential cheaters. The actual assignment is written in black text. If the student has followed the instructions that are written in white, this is a good indication that they may have cheated, because human eyes won't see the white text against a white background, while a computer program writing a paper for the student will see the white text and follow the additional instructions.

  • doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 months ago

    Doesn't help if students manually type the assignment requirements instead of just copying & pasting the entire document in there