I stopped paying attention to it right around the time that the "dae le section 31 adults in the room getting shit done amirite" and "dae le epic terran empire humanity fuck yea amirite" glazers started shaping the discourse as they did on Reddit.
Damn, it's a shame that led to defederation though. I had thought that they were cool with us and were mostly Leftist because of the political stuff on Star Trek.
mostly Leftist because of the political stuff on Star Trek
Decades of festering contrarianism and "bad guys are cool actually" ideology in the Trek fandom made far too many people seem somehow embarrassed by the idea of a brighter future in the setting, or that the Federation was actually cool and good and didn't need to have edgy murderfucking black ops "Adults In The Room" no matter how much Rick Berman pushed the idea because he was always a piece of shit.
Those toxic fans are numerous enough that I lost count of how many "USS AYN RANDs" I saw flying around Star Trek Online. The zone chat in Earth Spacedock is basically /pol/, 24/7.
To be fair, that started in TNG series already with Klingons, and DS9 was also full of it, the honorable fucking nazis, but no one in entire seen by me materials ever ask what happened with dozens of species conquered by them, we just don't see or hear about them, ever, not even as slaves.
You might be right, though Klingons have been stretched a number of directions, including "Space Soviets" in the TOS and even part of the motion picture series (especially Undiscovered Country).
So the other explanation would be that Klingons opress the conquered people to make them rebel so they can have fun and glory supressing the rebellions, since Feds and Romulans aren't so easy? That would make them not only nazi but also g*mers.
I stopped paying attention to it right around the time that the "dae le section 31 adults in the room getting shit done amirite" and "dae le epic terran empire humanity fuck yea amirite" glazers started shaping the discourse as they did on Reddit.
Damn, it's a shame that led to defederation though. I had thought that they were cool with us and were mostly Leftist because of the political stuff on Star Trek.
Decades of festering contrarianism and "bad guys are cool actually" ideology in the Trek fandom made far too many people seem somehow embarrassed by the idea of a brighter future in the setting, or that the Federation was actually cool and good and didn't need to have edgy murderfucking black ops "Adults In The Room" no matter how much Rick Berman pushed the idea because he was always a piece of shit.
Those toxic fans are numerous enough that I lost count of how many "USS AYN RANDs" I saw flying around Star Trek Online. The zone chat in Earth Spacedock is basically /pol/, 24/7.
To be fair, that started in TNG series already with Klingons, and DS9 was also full of it, the honorable fucking nazis, but no one in entire seen by me materials ever ask what happened with dozens of species conquered by them, we just don't see or hear about them, ever, not even as slaves.
You might be right, though Klingons have been stretched a number of directions, including "Space Soviets" in the TOS and even part of the motion picture series (especially Undiscovered Country).
Oh, this episode kind of features a Klingon-conquered world and its people.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Mind%27s_Eye_(episode)
So the other explanation would be that Klingons opress the conquered people to make them rebel so they can have fun and glory supressing the rebellions, since Feds and Romulans aren't so easy? That would make them not only nazi but also g*mers.