The lengths they go to avoid talking about economics.
forcing women to sexually please men to make them more liberal is a very normal liberal take
This reads about as equally sexist to me as the incel posters ranting, just coming from a different starting point.
On top of that, they will do anything in their power to not recognize any of the actual conditions or their own culpability that led to the current state of things. But no, it must be that everything stems from guys not having sex.
Funny because conservatives say, that men become libs because of low testosterone. Just bullshit arguments all around.
This is a hilarious theory. By this theory, if a Nazis f***s a woman, they'll become a lib.
R/GenZ right now is just taken over by right-wing incels who are celebrating their supposed 'win'. Shame on any dumb libs who immediately blame Kamala's loss on the entire Gen Z generation or other minority instead of doing some introspection.
Trump didn't even gain voters, Kamala just lost more. Therefore no group 'shifted right', Kamala's domestic and foreign policy was just completely vapid.
At least Trump made vague promises to "bring jobs back". All Kamala did was try gaslighting voters into thinking the economy was booming. For example, when Democrats aligned economist Paul Krugman got yelled at about the economy, he had the audacity to go on Twitter later and say that all the complaints were just "Russian propaganda and Trump's lies".
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The lengths they go to avoid talking about economics.
The lengths they go to, to avoid talking about virtually everything, tbh. This is western chauvinism on Socrates internet quote brain. They desperately want to be what they think is the cool thinker who sums everything about society up into a neat little bundle, while doing zero investigation. This basically:
You can't solve a problem? Well, get down and investigate the present facts and its past history! When you have investigated the problem thoroughly, you will know how to solve it. Conclusions invariably come after investigation, and not before. Only a blockhead cudgels his brains on his own, or together with a group, to "find solution" or "evolve an idea" without making any investigation. It must be stressed that this cannot possibly lead to any effective solution or any good idea. In other words, he is bound to arrive at a wrong solution and a wrong idea.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-6/mswv6_11.htm
Side note: Gonna potentially humiliate myself to make a point, but making the truth known through real life examples is more important for stuff like this than whether people think I'm cool. In the meaning of incel that is more literal (involuntary celibate), I am that. I don't have any of the fucked up "hating women/resenting them, etc." because of it. Nor have I ever had inclinations in that direction, even before I considered myself anti-imperialist and communist. In my mind, the one has little to do with the other. The only real crossover is on stuff like recognizing how capitalism has made it harder to have human connection and by extension, that can apply to romantic connection too; or how patriarchy creates all kinds of fucked up dynamics and predatory behavior on the part of men, which on top of the pure hurt done, has consequences for how safe women realistically can be in approaching a thing like dating and how much they're going to develop reasonable layers of wariness they might not otherwise have. But obviously there are people who are still doing it alright regardless, so some of it is my specific circumstances and how I live my own life, not a universal principle of capitalism or a patriarchal system that you can't get laid.
The idea of sticking it to women because a famous woman says how important this election is to them, is so foreign to me, I don't even know where to begin. I spent the last year trying to find a balance between spreading documented info of a genocide happening, and not hairshirt-style pointlessly taking on secondhand trauma to feel better as a person, with no real satisfactory answer as to how to handle such an unprecedented thing as a genocide happening and being proliferated across high speed internet in real-time with vivid video of it occurring, while dealing with people denying that information in real-time, downplaying it, or even saying it's deserved. And that on top of trying to balance it with my own life circumstances and figure out how to find a point in all the shlocky individualist thinking I encounter about life, while people are being mass murdered and I'm being told I should focus on me or whatever. I feel like I'm living in a different universe from a person like this. I understand people have their information bubbles, but my god, it's stark.
I say all this not to make it about me (it's actually kind of uncomfortable for me to get into this much detail about myself in a place like this), but to make a point about the gap and use myself as an example of someone real, rather than just being hypothetical. Look to what people are actually doing and saying. Ask them if necessary. Then you can begin to build a notion of patterns.
I've heard politics is sexual pathology, but this is ridiculous!
Ok, I'm sure anyone that uses reddit has seen the "why is gen-z so conservative?" Posts. Frankly, I think that's not accurate. I'm gen Z, literally no one I know in my age bracket is remotely "conservative". Most of them are either run of the mill blue voters, or leftist and recognized that voting for Kamala or Trump wouldn't fix anything and if the Democrats want votes they need to move left, not right. Liberals just can't fathom that.
Who was at college campuses protesting the genocide in Gaza? Gen Z. Who said they wouldn't vote for anyone who supported Israel's slaughter of Palestinians? Gen Z. Liberals and Democrat establishment did not listen and instead arrested and suppressed us.
Sure there are some Andrew Tate bros sure. But those guys were always going to vote fascist, they come from Christian fundamentalist households. They are born into the ideology.
Liberals really just cannot fathom that the left had no candidate. Hell, I know this is very dem-soc of me, but a Bernie-like candidate would have likely done so much better because Bernie said things other than "Trump bad". He appealed to class struggles. We even heard from some people in 2016 that when Bernie left, they either didn't vote or went to Trump because he made a bunch of promises to the "little people ".
It's partially both in my experience. Depends on where you are. Suburban/rural Gen Z really are leaning more conservative; statistics will show that right-wing ideologues are on the rise in younger generations.
At the same time, it's also an age thing. Plenty of people develop at 14-16 politically. Some do it at 20. Some do it at 25. There are some 22 year olds I know now who are just beginning to actually think about politics.
I think it's not so different from millennials. A 22 year old white man from Missouri is probably going to be exactly the same as all of his ancestors. A 22 year old in Oregon, same. I think this whole "we are getting more conservative!" Thing is more of a cope than an actual statistic. I mean, how could you even accurately measure that statistic? I'm not going to fill out a form online describing my political beliefs lol. That sounds sketch af.
Fair. Any poll is absolutely suspect. The right-wing shift in national politics is absolutely noticeable though. Objectively...I think Obama was a little less "right" than Dick Cheney (by a little less I mean like an inch/inch and a half) but at the same time here is dick cheney now endorsing democrats and trying to get George W. Bush on board. But you could be right.
I get it man I didn't get sex for a while and also turned into an actual Nazi. It happens. We exist.
I'll do you one better, Ho Chi Minh was reportedly celibate his entire life and didn't turn Nazi. Though I wouldn't be surprised if liberals think he did.
Tbf "reportedly" carried a lot of weight with Uncle Ho. Dude actually laid pipe a lot and even was married to a french nurse.
This whole talk about "Shift" in voting doesn't make any sense to me if republicans had less turnout then they did in 2020. Do we have data on how many new republican registrations there were vs democrats? Do we have data on democrats who voted republican this cycle? Dems had 13 million less votes this time around, where did those people go? Isn't this "shift" actually just a reflection of that 13 million less democrats? What about those who abstained, what about those who voted 3rd party? Shift seems to imply that Dems are becoming Republicans, which could actually be that Dems are becoming non-voters or 3rd party voters.
He is so close to understanding this in the third to last paragrpah ... then completly goes back off the rails
Liberals seem to have this weird idea that they always need to do sex over economics in their analyses, because Marx didn't understand the power of horniness or something. (You bet he did, he worked with fucking Engels).
Online man-fluencers are turning legions of young men into Nazis by coopting their general discontentment at how their lives suck and how alienated and atomized they feel socially? Wow, sounds like the solution to this is to bully women into submitting to these brownshirt losers rather than address any of the root causes!
And I'm sure the solution isn't for those people to stop being unfuckable bigots.
No we're just gonna need some women to bite the bullet and let some greasy incel dry hump them while saying slurs on xbox live.
