• frauddogg [null/void, undecided]
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        1 month ago

        The actual line is what got me to start trying to cut through McCarthy's honestly reader-hostile formatting to actually read his novels; Judge Holden is such a cold motherfucker as far as villains go, and I can 100% believe that the way Amerikans see the myth of the 'white grizzled cowboy' is really just a facade to cover up a whole unholy horde of Judge Holdens

        • vegeta1 [he/him]
          hexagon
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          1 month ago

          That's no joke. I know some mfs in the US military. You should hear how they speak of muslims etc. Yeah if one weren't mistaken youd think.....

          • frauddogg [null/void, undecided]
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            1 month ago

            Oh, I have. My time in service is exactly why I'm as hardline as I am for my people. I know what these crackers say about anyone they want to kill; past, present, and future. I was groomed to sell my soul to the Great Satan at 16, and I'll spend my entire life atoning for it.

            • vegeta1 [he/him]
              hexagon
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              1 month ago

              I hear it. It must be tough to break out of that programming.

              • frauddogg [null/void, undecided]
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                1 month ago

                Thankfully, it never fully took. I was a "dirtbag" who tried to keep whatever broken pieces of myself that I could, rather than let Satan mold me into an unthinking killer. There was shit to shuck off and strip away, sure; but I wasn't some dead-eyed, soul-scooped jarhead by the time I made it out.

                • vegeta1 [he/him]
                  hexagon
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                  1 month ago

                  It seems the jarheads get hit with the programming the hardest

                • Poogona [he/him]
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                  1 month ago

                  I have a buddy who went into the military and managed to make no friends and absorb nothing while playing monster hunter the entire time, he has my respect

  • peppersky [he/him, any]
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    1 month ago

    he was like a big baby - cormac mccarthy writing the best book of all time

  • Poogona [he/him]
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    1 month ago

    That scene at the end where Holden is playing the violin is great. The judge, the most evil thing McCarthy ever created, plays music, and is good at it, he even feels the rapturous glee of artistic fulfillment as he plays in front of an adoring audience. He is not, in fact, a hollow man, not a demon that will be under your power if you learn his name. He is human, he is doing what he is best at, and reaps the rewards.

    McCarthy was very focused on trying to capture and name "evil," and I think with that scene something made sense to me, maybe to him. Evil thrives when you feed it, when you incentivize it. Judge Holden might have wound up being a musician in another world, and never have hurt a fly. But there's a market for evil in Blood Meridian, and Holden discovered at some point that he could provide.

    • vegeta1 [he/him]
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      1 month ago

      That makes him all the more disturbing. Brilliantly written character. Despite there being speculation that be may be supernatural or he may be the devil himself this is more harrowing

      • Poogona [he/him]
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        1 month ago

        Big agree, making him into something supernatural feels like it's just exchanging one metaphor for another

    • ingirumimus [none/use name]
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      1 month ago

      this is an interesting reading but i would disagree (to a certain amount) with it - the last scene isn't about the judge's artistic fulfillment or the attention on the judge, because (as far as I remember) he's not playing in like a concert, but in a dance. In other words, its a participatory performance, in which everyone in the room is involved in. Attention isn't focused entirely on the judge, but rather on the "ecstasy" produced by the dancing; even the prose that describes it has a certain breathless, mystical quality to it. This esctatic quality is the same in the violence of the glanton gang. to me, the ending is far more about connecting the forms of frontier American society with the forms of violence (war, ethnic cleansing, etc.) that paved the way for that society. the judge, of course, would have to be involved with both

      • Poogona [he/him]
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        1 month ago

        You are right, I shouldn't necessarily say "audience," as if he's in command, just that he's clearly capable of being wrapped up into a performance in the manner of an artist. It's something that is supposed to be one of those essentially "good" things, a socially experienced moment of ecstasy, to use your word. By weaving that group experience (something often associated with the essence of being human) with the specific violent character of settler society, your interpretation expands upon mine, so good one there (it has been over a decade since I read it).

  • Spongebobsquarejuche [none/use name]
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    1 month ago

    He dances in light and in shadow and he is a great favorite. He never sleeps, the judge. He is dancing, dancing. He says that he will never die.