Oh fuck. This could be very bad. Especially with Trump coming into office. If he does plan to follow a plan of maximum pressure to end the conflict in an armistice ala Korea then he needs to ramp up from whatever Biden was doing and without this as a threat where can he really go? He probably wouldn't want to back down from it for fear of looking weak so I'm afraid this wouldn't end in short order.
But this is basically calling Russia's bluff and daring them to strike NATO in return. Which could spiral into nuclear war.
OR, OR they could be looking to put this conflict entirely on the Europeans and get them to run and maintain it in which case Russia striking a NATO base in Poland or Germany or in one of those reactionary as fuck Baltic countries in retaliation could be used as kind of a prod to get them more involved directly while the US slinks out the back door. Make them hold down the conflict. Because the US wants Europe in shambles, they don't want a strong Euro or competing bloc, and they most of all want them at Russia's throat not cooperating so getting say European armies directly involved in a conflict with Russia while they pivot to Asia and readying for attacking China in 2026-27. They want at least Europe not close to Russia, ideally Europe to inflict such costs on Russia that they sue for peace and they can look strong and paint it as a victory for NATO and then turn around and use Ukraine and newly re-armed Europe to supply a fight against China, maybe directly against China, maybe in planned proxy conflicts in Africa and Asia to coerce the world into alliance against China by coup, invasion, color revolution, etc.
I'm going to say it. Russia should be willing to use nuclear weapons. The west will not accept a strategic defeat easily and if they get directly involved with their armies after Russia hits them in retaliation for this Russia should use nuclear weapons on their forces rather than backing down and allowing NATO a win or an armistice that sees Nazism reign in Ukraine and Ukraine turned into an arms and mercenary depot for the west to call upon to use on Africa, west Asia and the rest of the world in destabilization operations for strategic influence against BRICS/China. They're already doing this but it will expand and be used directly against the emerging multipolar BRICS order so better for Russia to call them now and force a stop to it than have the world deal with their terrorism, extremism, violence, coups, etc for decades to come.
For once Putin needs to show Russia won't back down as they have done every previous time. They should draw up plans and the moment one of these missiles hits or even I dare say flies deep into Russia and is intercepted successfully, they should hit a nearby NATO base with absolute fury, just leave nothing left but bodies and rubble using conventional munitions. I'd even go so far as to propose taking a nuclear capable ICMB or three, removing their nuclear warheads, fitting them with large amounts of conventional explosives (with multi-re-entry vehicles this would equal 30-70 strikes) and alongside a diversionary force of medium range missiles like Kalibers striking German weapons factories in Germany to take them out as a message that they'll strike deep into Europe in response. Using ICBMs would give the message they could have used nukes and gotten through but chose not to, this time. And striking weapons factories would be especially appropriate given they're the ones supplying this conflict.
Of course they do have other options. They could and should arm Iran to the teeth with modern S-300 or S-400 air defense systems making the zionist entity's airforce useless but I think they should have done that a while ago and that this escalation calls for a more direct message to European vassals. They could and should given Ansar Allah advanced anti-ship weapons platforms capable of striking and sinking large US naval vessels and have them operated by Russian personnel. That would be a direct answer of course but I fear could expand the conflict in unpredictable ways.
But they have to call the bluff in some dramatic way that inflicts death and destruction on the west in response.
Cities can be leveled, neighborhoods turned to pulp, without nuclear weapons being used. Like what happened to Grozny. You can't walk back a nuke, but everyone not in that city can survive a city being shelled to oblivion.
I can't believe a communist is honestly advocating for a nuclear exchange. Honestly this reads like a bad edgy roleplay. We need more comrades like Vasily Arkhipov and Stanislav Petrov and less like you.
Even more like some ultraleftist fantasy of Total Destruction and Birth of a New Order, actually. I can't say I was never prey to that kind of thinking -- especially when I just started getting into Marxism -- but it really is juvenile and basically anti-materialist.
I am advocating for not backing down or being blackmailed by this monstrosity into just accepting their salami-slicing tactics without any tipping over point ever.
Nowhere did I say "gee they better nuke the jerks tomorrow".
Frankly I think Russia should wait until Trump gets into office and give him an ultimatum and a chance to put a stop to it. I'm afraid he may escalate even further to try and pressure them though but it's worth a shot. And nowhere did I say if that fails they need to jump immediately to nuclear weapons use.
I have nothing more to say as my opinion is being distorted so this is not productive. Nor do I have any interest in trading barbs though I have several thoughts as this isn't going anywhere good.
I admit though I can't recall now that some of my language may have been hasty and imprecise and for that I am sorry for making worse any misunderstandings as a result. edit: I was in a somewhat emotionally agitated state so I may have phrased things in ways I regret though I maintain I didn't and wouldn't advocate that, it certainly wouldn't be my intent.
edit2: I honestly cannot recall what I wrote. It was late. But I accept the criticism unspecific as it is and will try to self-crit.
I reject the notion of a better world through nuclear armageddon as some other comment implied.
Oh fuck. This could be very bad. Especially with Trump coming into office. If he does plan to follow a plan of maximum pressure to end the conflict in an armistice ala Korea then he needs to ramp up from whatever Biden was doing and without this as a threat where can he really go? He probably wouldn't want to back down from it for fear of looking weak so I'm afraid this wouldn't end in short order.
But this is basically calling Russia's bluff and daring them to strike NATO in return. Which could spiral into nuclear war.
OR, OR they could be looking to put this conflict entirely on the Europeans and get them to run and maintain it in which case Russia striking a NATO base in Poland or Germany or in one of those reactionary as fuck Baltic countries in retaliation could be used as kind of a prod to get them more involved directly while the US slinks out the back door. Make them hold down the conflict. Because the US wants Europe in shambles, they don't want a strong Euro or competing bloc, and they most of all want them at Russia's throat not cooperating so getting say European armies directly involved in a conflict with Russia while they pivot to Asia and readying for attacking China in 2026-27. They want at least Europe not close to Russia, ideally Europe to inflict such costs on Russia that they sue for peace and they can look strong and paint it as a victory for NATO and then turn around and use Ukraine and newly re-armed Europe to supply a fight against China, maybe directly against China, maybe in planned proxy conflicts in Africa and Asia to coerce the world into alliance against China by coup, invasion, color revolution, etc.
I'm going to say it. Russia should be willing to use nuclear weapons. The west will not accept a strategic defeat easily and if they get directly involved with their armies after Russia hits them in retaliation for this Russia should use nuclear weapons on their forces rather than backing down and allowing NATO a win or an armistice that sees Nazism reign in Ukraine and Ukraine turned into an arms and mercenary depot for the west to call upon to use on Africa, west Asia and the rest of the world in destabilization operations for strategic influence against BRICS/China. They're already doing this but it will expand and be used directly against the emerging multipolar BRICS order so better for Russia to call them now and force a stop to it than have the world deal with their terrorism, extremism, violence, coups, etc for decades to come.
For once Putin needs to show Russia won't back down as they have done every previous time. They should draw up plans and the moment one of these missiles hits or even I dare say flies deep into Russia and is intercepted successfully, they should hit a nearby NATO base with absolute fury, just leave nothing left but bodies and rubble using conventional munitions. I'd even go so far as to propose taking a nuclear capable ICMB or three, removing their nuclear warheads, fitting them with large amounts of conventional explosives (with multi-re-entry vehicles this would equal 30-70 strikes) and alongside a diversionary force of medium range missiles like Kalibers striking German weapons factories in Germany to take them out as a message that they'll strike deep into Europe in response. Using ICBMs would give the message they could have used nukes and gotten through but chose not to, this time. And striking weapons factories would be especially appropriate given they're the ones supplying this conflict.
Of course they do have other options. They could and should arm Iran to the teeth with modern S-300 or S-400 air defense systems making the zionist entity's airforce useless but I think they should have done that a while ago and that this escalation calls for a more direct message to European vassals. They could and should given Ansar Allah advanced anti-ship weapons platforms capable of striking and sinking large US naval vessels and have them operated by Russian personnel. That would be a direct answer of course but I fear could expand the conflict in unpredictable ways.
But they have to call the bluff in some dramatic way that inflicts death and destruction on the west in response.
Cities can be leveled, neighborhoods turned to pulp, without nuclear weapons being used. Like what happened to Grozny. You can't walk back a nuke, but everyone not in that city can survive a city being shelled to oblivion.
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I can't believe a communist is honestly advocating for a nuclear exchange. Honestly this reads like a bad edgy roleplay. We need more comrades like Vasily Arkhipov and Stanislav Petrov and less like you.
Even more like some ultraleftist fantasy of Total Destruction and Birth of a New Order, actually. I can't say I was never prey to that kind of thinking -- especially when I just started getting into Marxism -- but it really is juvenile and basically anti-materialist.
You haven't heard the good word of J. Posadas?
I am not advocating for a nuclear exchange.
I am advocating for not backing down or being blackmailed by this monstrosity into just accepting their salami-slicing tactics without any tipping over point ever.
Nowhere did I say "gee they better nuke the jerks tomorrow".
Frankly I think Russia should wait until Trump gets into office and give him an ultimatum and a chance to put a stop to it. I'm afraid he may escalate even further to try and pressure them though but it's worth a shot. And nowhere did I say if that fails they need to jump immediately to nuclear weapons use.
I have nothing more to say as my opinion is being distorted so this is not productive. Nor do I have any interest in trading barbs though I have several thoughts as this isn't going anywhere good.
I admit though I can't recall now that some of my language may have been hasty and imprecise and for that I am sorry for making worse any misunderstandings as a result. edit: I was in a somewhat emotionally agitated state so I may have phrased things in ways I regret though I maintain I didn't and wouldn't advocate that, it certainly wouldn't be my intent.
edit2: I honestly cannot recall what I wrote. It was late. But I accept the criticism unspecific as it is and will try to self-crit.
I reject the notion of a better world through nuclear armageddon as some other comment implied.