Move follows US president Joe Biden’s agreement to supply similar American long range Atacms weapon

Britain is expected to supply Storm Shadow missiles for use by Ukraine on targets inside Russia, now that the US president, Joe Biden, has agreed to do the same for the similar American long-range Atacms weapon.

Keir Starmer, the prime minister, said at the G20 summit that the UK recognised it needed to “double down” on its support for Ukraine, while diplomatic sources briefed they expected other European countries to follow the US lead.

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Russia, however, accused the west of escalation and said that Biden risked adding “fuel to the fire” in Ukraine, and while Donald Trump remained silent on the issue, his son Don Jr accused the military industrial complex of wanting to get “world war three going”.

Storm Shadow missiles have a range of about 250km (155 miles), similar to the US Atacms, and have in the past been given to Kyiv by the UK and France to strike targets inside Ukraine’s internationally recognised borders.

But the US retained an effective veto on their use because it supplies a guidance system and repeated lobbying by the UK had failed to shift the US position, which has only begun to soften after the election victory of Donald Trump earlier this month.

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Ukraine had also become increasingly exasperated with Britain on the issue of long-range missiles, complaining earlier this month that not only had there been no progress on their use inside Russia but that the UK had stopped supplying them at all.

  • C A B B A G E@feddit.uk
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    1 month ago

    I mean, they just want to sell missiles and make that moolah. It's the man in Moscow who keeps threatening nuclear winter...

    • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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      1 month ago

      Maybe we should meet "the man in Moscow" (as if this has anything to do with one specific individual lol) in the middle then, and avoid us all getting vaporized.

      Wold be nice.

      • C A B B A G E@feddit.uk
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        1 month ago

        I mean, I'm being facetious, it's obviously shitty that people are being fed into a meat grinder, but from where I'm sitting it seems like Ukraine is being used as a fertile market for armements and whoever makes up the bunch I charge of Russia's nukes are using them as an attempt to stop interference in their efforts to annexe a neighbour.

        What's the chapo traphouse/ML take on this?

        • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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          1 month ago

          You're mostly correct except Russia obviously doesn't want to annex Ukraine, only the majority Russian parts that have been treated as second class citizens by Ukraine's nazi government. If they annexed all of it, they'd only create larger problems for themselves in the borders with NATO members; keeping Ukraine neutral is the whole point (and is beneficial for everyone except arms dealers as you pointed out)

          • CascadeOfLight [he/him]
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            1 month ago
            Furthermore, here's a very interesting series of maps:

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            Percentage of the population that are native Russian speakers.

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            Support for Yanukovich, the president overthrown in 2014 and replaced by a government that immediately banned the use of Russian in offical documents and schools.

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            Support for Volodomir Zelenski - or Vladimir Zelensky, as he would have been known in his first language, Russian - who ran against the coup leader on a platform of reconciliation with the separatist areas, right up until he won and someone with Hitler tattoos and a big gun explained his situation to him.

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            And last but not least, a map of Russia's early warning RADAR system, which you may notice a slice of eastern Ukraine sits neatly under, making it the ideal launch point for a decapitation strike against Moscow.

            So "annexing a neighbour" is trivially not what Russia wants, or is even capable of achieving. They want a demilitarized, denazified zone encompassing their most vulnerable border, a totally reasonable desire for any state, especially one facing down the lying, bloodthirsty savages of NATO. It will grab the areas of Russian speakers that it's actually possible to assimilate, bringing the territory under their internal security arrangements, and leave the majority-Ukrainian-speaking areas that would be impossible to control to some sort of Kiev-run rump state.

    • AmericaDelendaEst [comrade/them]
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      1 month ago

      You're a fucking moron, and whatever mod wants to remove this again do me a favor and ban me if this shithole is so full of liberalism

      "Brigading" literally could you cry harder

      • C A B B A G E@feddit.uk
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        1 month ago

        Come on mods - it's fine for people to disagree/discuss/whatever.

        Maybe I'm a moron and maybe this person is a tactless tankie.

        I actually appreciated that there's some actual fucking discussion here.

        • GreatAlbatross@feddit.ukM
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          1 month ago

          We try.
          So far, we've not defederated from hexbear.
          When we have a thread that's 50% comments from another instance, upvoted solely by that instance, it's shit.