So as I look to build my first dedicated media server, I’m curious about what OS options I have which will check all the boxes. I’m interested in Unraid, and if there’s a Linux distro that works especially well I’d be willing to check that out as well. I just want to make sure that whatever I pick, I can use qbittorrent, Proton, and get the Arr suite working
Depends on your experience, hardware, and other stuff.
You could easily use Debian or Ubuntu server and install Docker if all you want is those listed services installed on unRAIDed drives.
You could try something like Dietpi (which is what Ive used since I started self hosting) which simplifies a few things and gives some helpful scripts on top of a basic Debian installation. It's a simple setup but still just plain ol' Debian so easy to set up however you like.
You could use something like CasaOS or ZimaOS which offer Web interfaces and integrate with docker for those with a "no tech" background up to technical users.
ProxMox is an option, but takes a lot of learning proxmox-specific stuff and IMO might be a bit overkill for your first server.
Personally, I'd go for something accessible to your tastes because everything nowadays has some kind of "easy setup" path for Plex/Jelly + Arr. Once it's set up, use it! Then once you need a big change for better hardware or more bespoke software setups then start digging into more fancy setups.
I actually want to prioritise the data protection of some sort of RAID setup, and support for torrenting and whatnot would be secondary to that. Really what I’m trying to avoid is installing and setting up my system only to find out that the OS I’ve picked is terrible for torrenting afterwards.
I have a workable setup on consumer Windows 11 right now, so I see the next step as having a dedicated Media Server box which can give me plenty of storage, data protection (right now a drive failure would wipe out half my server), and room for future expansion. Once that’s sorted, then I’ll look into the Arr suite and more advanced torrenting stuff. I want to pick something good for that stuff now, though, so I don’t have a ton of headache down the road
I think there's some deffo better OSes than my suggestions for RAID setups and stuff, bar ProxMox. Maybe it is worth you looking into those options!
That being said, any OS can torrent shit just fine. If it can run Docker or other containers (so 99% of suggestions here) you're set.
Maybe if you can spare the hardware try setting up a RAID on a couple of different ISOs to test em. That'll be the harder, or more permanent, aspect of the setup I think.
I've been running my stack on FreeBSD for a while now. I cannot recommend it enough; solid as a rock, no surprises. BSD license is different from GPL though, so some software cannot be migrated with the same name, but there are drop in replacements that are usually better anyway.
I did a quick search, looks like Proton has a WireGuard implementation, which is what I use. I use transmission for torrenting, and jellyfin for streaming
I have been fighting with Docker and Fedora on these exact items all weekend. Good luck
Now that Truenas Scale supports just plain Docker (and it's running on Debian) I think it's a great option for an all-in-one media box. I've had my complaints with Truenas over the years, but it's done a really great job at preventing me from shooting myself in the foot when it comes to my data.
I believe raidz expansion is also now in stable (though still better to do a bit of planning for your pool before pulling the trigger).
The raidz stuff, as I understand it, seems pretty compelling. A setup where I can lose any given drive and replace it with no data loss would be very ideal. So I would just run TrueNAS scale, through which would manage my drives, and then install everything else in docker containers or something?
Yes, what you're saying is the idea, and why I went with this setup.
I am running raidz2 on all my arrays, so I can pull any 2 disks from an array and my data is still there.
Currently I have 3 arrays of 8 disks each, organized into a single pool.
You can set similar up with any raid system, but so far Truenas has been rock solid and intuitive to me. My gripes are mostly around the (long) journey to "just Docker" for services. The parts of the UI / system that deals with storage seems to have a high focus on reliability / durability.
Latest version of Truenas supports Docker as "apps" where you can input all config through the UI. I prefer editing the config as yaml, so the only "app" I installed is Dockge. It lets me add Docker compose stacks, so I edit the compose files and run everything through Dockge. Useful as most arrs have example Docker compose files.
For hardware I went with just an off-the-shelf desktop motherboard, and a case with 8 hot swap bays. I also have an HBA expansion card connected via PCI, with two additional 8 bay enclosures on the backplane. You can start with what you need now (just the single case/drive bays), and expand later (raidz expansion makes this easier, since it's now possible to add disks to an existing array).
If I was going to start over, I might consider a proper rack with a disk tray enclosure.
You do want a good amount of RAM for zfs.
For boot, I recommend a mirror at least two of the cheapest SSD you can find each in an enclosure connected via USB. Boot doesn't need to be that fast. Do not use thumb drives unless you're fine with replacing them every few months.
For docker services, I recommend a mirror of two reasonable size SSDs. Jellyfin/Plex in particular benefit from an SSD for loading metadata. And back up the entire services partition (dataset) to your pool regularly. If you don't splurge for a mirror, at least do the backups. (Can you tell who previously had the single SSD running all of his services fail on him?)
For torrents I am considering a cache SSD that will simply exist for incoming, incomplete torrents. They will get moved to the pool upon completion. This reduces fragmentation in the pool, since ZFS cannot defragment. Currently I'm using the services mirror SSDs for that purpose. This is really a long-term concern. I've run my pool for almost 10 years now, and most of the time wrote incomplete torrents directly to the pool. Performance still seems fine.
I use Alma because RHEL is designed for enterprise stability. Debian is also a good option.
Just don't use Ubuntu. They do too much invisible fuckery with the system that hinders use on a server. For basic desktop use it's fine, but never for a server.
Edit: but you should be doing most stuff in Docker anyway, so the actual OS isn't going to matter too much. If you're already comfortable with one base (Debian, RHEL) just use that one or a derivative.
Just don't use Ubuntu. They do too much invisible fuckery with the system that hinders use on a server.
Would that warning also apply to Mint, since it’s based on Ubuntu, as well as other Ubuntu-based distros?
I wouldn't use Mint or other desktop-focused OS for a server. Ubuntu's advantage of newer packages gets largely negated by how long Mint takes to release a new major release, so I'd rather use Debian.
I do think Ubuntu is fine for servers too, like almost any other point release distro.
Probably. I don't know what Mint or others do under the hood, but I do know they're definitely targeted at desktop use.
I assume any Linux or *BSD distro will work, especially one with Docker (which is most/all of them?) so you don't have to worry about things being packaged for your distro so long as there's a docker image. My server is Alpine Linux.
I dunno what the best is, but if you choose nixos configure openvpn instead of trying to use the protonvpn package.
Just wanted to add that Wireguard is better than OpenVPN in every way and you should use that except when you want to use it for torrenting. I don't know remember the reason but that's the one time when you should be using OpenVPN. I think it had something to do with OpenVPN supporting TCP and Wireguard being UDP only or something like that.
Wireguard uses UDP which results in better latency and power usage (e.g. mobile). This does not mean Wireguard can't tunnel TCP packets, just like OpenVPN also supports tunneling UDP.
I'm using Wireguard succesfully for torrenting.
interesting. proton has example openvpn configs on their site which was hugely helpful to me. dunno if they have wireguard equivalents, or if those are needed.
I'd be weird if they didn't have Wireguard configs, Wireguard is basically the standard nowadays. It's faster and safer (the code base is way smaller, so the chance of there being security vulnerabilities is a lot lower and can be fixed more easily).
Looks like they do have both openvpn and wireguard configs. Is it true that for torrenting openvpn is preferred? That's basically the only reason I use vpn.
I think so. The main reason I use OpenVPN for that is just that that's what Gluetun uses. You should search that up online tho, I don't really remember why OpenVPN is better.
why? protovpn package has been working fine for me on nixos
edit: nevermind, in a server environment you should configure openvpn (i just use protonvpn on my desktop)
I was maybe doing it wrong, but it never worked for me while openvpn did. Glad it works for someone!
So openmediavault running on the server, and then use one of the other two to get PMS, Proton VPN, qbittorrent, etc.?
Openmediavault and TrueNAS are 2 OS alternatives and Docker is the depolyment mechanism to run the services like qbitorrent or ProtonVPN.
I'm sure any server oriented Linux distro will do fine. I use Debian.
I will note, I don't know if you're planning on having remote access (e.g. through tailscale or reverse proxy), but if you are, I found it quite a challenge to get proton to play nice with them
For newcomers I'd recommend docker and images like gluetun for setting up the VPN. It makes it easy to forward ports (for remote access) while keeping the torrent client behind the VPN.
I would also recommend it, and I even tried it when i started, but i just couldn't get it to work. Probably permission issues
What did you end up using instead? It’s not a necessity, but remote monitoring and access has come in very handy in the past
For a while I split tunneled tailscale through an openvpn .conf file, but recently switched to using qbittorrent in docker with gluetun. Qbittorrent is realistically the only service that needs to be behind a vpn so it works out well
I'd assume its probably Linux even if it's the worst in terms of Proton support but, its not like you need all the bells and whistles.
Yeah I’m not surprised. Weak Proton support sucks, but for a dedicated media server it’s not the priority
Yeah I mean its understandable why Proton does not prioritize Linux but its a bummer.
I'm sure there are better options, but I'm running proxmox as my host and a windows server VM for my suite.
